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Title: Porsche 996TT brake kit - The Not Quite So Big brake Kits Bigger HARDER brother!
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on February 06, 2012, 09:29:49 pm

Porsche 996TT brake kit - the Not Quite So Big brake Kits 'NQSBBKs' (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,13985.0.html) Bigger HARDER brother!!


I recently traded the NQSBBK for its bigger brother the 996 TT kit.  The NQS was getting better & better & better as the pagid blues bedded in and I though it may regret swapping but I missed the sight of big discs under the team dynamics on my Leon Cupra (Stage 2+)

Here are some details & my thoughts on the kit.  Its is the same kit found on TEFFs ridiculously awesome specced GolfR


What is it:

This Porsche 996tt Kit is;


(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2FMy_Leon_Cupra%2FMods%2F89c440f8.jpg&hash=5ff3e7d89b823bb2b29758c128580e0da01f8c0a)

With a fitting kit comprising of;


(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2FMy_Leon_Cupra%2FMods%2F9ebd047f.jpg&hash=2fb6f31e655c46fa10b63ceb9d7dbfb2f73156c2)


The calipers have unique piston sizes of 36 and 44mm that work really well with the MkV platform Master cylinder



I dont care about that show me some pictures!


Okay.

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2FMods%2Fporsche_turbo_brakes%2F1397c546.jpg&hash=6ce8e2e84668ba21903fa843b1708210b13b7eea)

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2FMods%2Fporsche_turbo_brakes%2Fbff426c6.jpg&hash=f149fe15effefc140a36865688035363699a41f8)

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2FMods%2Fporsche_turbo_brakes%2F8d650164.jpg&hash=8c870b368b195ac25695b844f6509de4fb0c4e02)

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2FMods%2Fporsche_turbo_brakes%2F8c27ed03.jpg&hash=2a866aa8b5fa616a14fa3a4797041e8713e6b19f)

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2FMods%2Fporsche_turbo_brakes%2F874a28e6.jpg&hash=0d34b4ed443f111dd452eaef013dfb560cf5660a)

Some more pics taken during fitting can be found here...

http://s1112.photobucket.com/albums/k482/tfsi_mike/My%20Leon%20Cupra/Mods/porsche%20turbo%20brakes/



Why bother?

Depending who you are it could be one (or all) of a few reasons...

Aesthetics.  As you will see they look the nuts!  There are many show queens among us and shiny OEM+ parts always get attention.  The 'P word' on your brakes and massive discs  :party:

Safety.  Tyres and Brakes are maybe the two most important (safety wise) parts on your car.  If youve increased the power of your carI dont think I need to explain why you should look at improving your brakes!

Performance.  Lots of us are regular track day addicts, or plan to be, or bare minimun love a spririted drive in our chariot.  Anyone who has Gti brakes knows slowing down in a hurry can be  :scared: scary especially when in the realms of Stage2/2+ power/speed!  :driver:

Pad choice.  Simply a pad for every man and his application or budget. From driving on / off the trailer to shows , to the odd track day to racing Meganes round the Nurburgring!  Over 40 pad compounds from  :pomppomp: to  :evilgrin:

Calipers homologised by FIA for Porsche cup, for Motorsport nuts amongst us

Value.  An extremely capable kit for half the cost of most of the BBKs on offer.



Sourcing & Cost:

Dave Brown

Most of us Know Dave by now (DaveB, Professor friction, the gay train driver - call him what you will he is a brake Guru!)

Dave supplied my complete kit.  Having had a few of his setups (I can count 6 in my head) I wouldn't go anywhere else for stuff that slows me down!

He can be found frequenting this forum Clicky to find Dave (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=631)

Bear in mind Dave has a day job as a pilot & twin sons and recieves upto 40messages per day  :surprised: it can take a couple of days to get a reply but his knowledge, kit and service is 100% worth having some paitience for in my opinion!  Especially on something as important as brakes!


The calipers can be found on the bay, salvage yards / online breakers or even Porsche main dealers if your feeling flush

The Part numbers are:

996.351.429 Left
996.351.430 Right

and are from Porsche 996 Turbo, 996 GT2, Carrera 4S, Carrera 2S (The later 997 S also got these calipers)


A fitting kit with plain discs is £450
A fitting kit with Drilled discs is £485 - Ive had drilled discs from Dave on my OEM Cupra setup and they were superb!
A fitting kit with J hooked discs is £515 - Ive had J hooks on my NQSBBK (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,13985.0.html) , S3 rear kit and now this 996 Turbo kit and they are also  :drool: :drool:

Calipers are typically £300 - £400 and could be brand new right down to needing a full on refurb.



Fitting

There is a guide by Muckipup found Here (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,35226.0.html) on fitting the Porsche Kits little brother the NQS BBK.

Bear in mind with this kit the discs supplied are designed to be the right width (34mm) for the caliper so there's no need to modify / trim the pegs on the caliper to squeeze the disc in.

Remember the calipers will need reversing, this is explained in the NQS BBK link above.

I used the services of Alex Kerr  VrsAlex (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=1981) on here.
I would highly recommend his services (Thats another review  :happy2:) 

I had to use 3mm spacers on my car but dave has had this kit on a Golf (QD's I believe) under BBS Golf BBS VZ's wheels without the need.


Plus points

Great pedal feel on original Master Cylinder (36 and 44mm pistons that work really well with the MkV platform Master cylinder)
Ideal for fast road / track days
Looks
Lightweight (especially compared to S3 / Cupra setup)
OEM+ parts
Developed by & support of DaveB
Massive pad choice

minus points

More expensive than the S3 / Cupra / R32 setup
Slightly heavier discs than expensive 2 piece rotor kits



Conclusion

I dont think I need to say much about Daves kit & service, outstanding and I give another massive thanks to him for his time & support in getting this kit for my Cupra  :notworthy: :notworthy:

The ultimate setup for me would be this with a 2 piece rotor but the discs only weigh as much as my originaly Cupra one & these calipers are much lighter.

Im using OEM Porsche pads (used ones) for now and although Ive only covered a few hundred miles they are bloody brilliant!  Bearing in mind Ive just had the v3.1 APR map update, Ive been putting the car through its paces and its  :surprised: :scared: quicker than before.  Shaving the speed of is effortless with these without the off / on feel of some brake kits due to the small pistons working at lower speeds and thier bigger brothers joining in if you really want to stop!

I cant wait to add sporty pads to this kit.  There is little need as the kit will perform beyond my abilities but I have shiny kit syndrome and like being specced up.

I will likely use plain discs for road with oem porsche pads and use the current J hooked rotors with some sporty pads for track days when I get back from the dessert mid summer.

Very Happy Mike, in my opinion outstanding brake kit.

Title: Re: Porsche 996TT brake kit - The Not Quite So Big brake Kits Bigger HARDER brother!
Post by: Hedge on February 06, 2012, 09:49:56 pm
Nice to hear Mike.  :happy2: (until the next kit)  :wink:
Title: Re: Porsche 996TT brake kit - The Not Quite So Big brake Kits Bigger HARDER brother!
Post by: Teutonic_Tamer on February 06, 2012, 11:08:29 pm
Keep us updated when you get a few miles under your belt - look the mutts though!  :pomppomp:
Title: Re: Porsche 996TT brake kit - The Not Quite So Big brake Kits Bigger HARDER brother!
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on February 06, 2012, 11:11:18 pm
Nice to hear Mike.  :happy2: (until the next kit)  :wink:

What brakes does eurofighter have Ian?  :innocent:


Keep us updated when you get a few miles under your belt - look the mutts though!  :pomppomp:

Thanks  :happy2:  Certainly will.  Looking forward to giving it some beans  :driver:

Just trying to find out about vane / J orientation as discussed on other thread.
Title: Re: Porsche 996TT brake kit - The Not Quite So Big brake Kits Bigger HARDER brother!
Post by: Janner_Sy on February 06, 2012, 11:53:35 pm
I cant believe how light the calipers were.   The discs cancelled that out though  :scared:
Title: Re: Porsche 996TT brake kit - The Not Quite So Big brake Kits Bigger HARDER brother!
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on February 06, 2012, 11:55:32 pm
I cant believe how light the calipers were.   The discs cancelled that out though  :scared:

I cant remember the weight of the OEM Cupra rotors but the new 350mm ones are 12-13kg.  A two piece option would be the ultimate setup for me :)
Title: Re: Porsche 996TT brake kit - The Not Quite So Big brake Kits Bigger HARDER brother!
Post by: sub39h on February 07, 2012, 09:30:16 am
*want*
Title: Re: Porsche 996TT brake kit - The Not Quite So Big brake Kits Bigger HARDER brother!
Post by: h4rdy on February 07, 2012, 11:22:45 am
Very nice Mike.
Thats a good price for nice looking and effective setup.
Are they R32 discs?
Title: Re: Porsche 996TT brake kit - The Not Quite So Big brake Kits Bigger HARDER brother!
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on February 07, 2012, 11:29:33 am
Very nice Mike.
Thats a good price for nice looking and effective setup.
Are they R32 discs?

Merc discs I think Justin. Amg 60 something, not sure.
Title: Re: Porsche 996TT brake kit - The Not Quite So Big brake Kits Bigger HARDER brother!
Post by: h4rdy on February 07, 2012, 12:20:59 pm
Fair do's.
Does it just need that little bit smaller diameter to fit behind wheel as the R32 are 365 are they not?
Very nice anyway.
Title: Re: Porsche 996TT brake kit - The Not Quite So Big brake Kits Bigger HARDER brother!
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on February 07, 2012, 12:23:08 pm
Fair do's.
Does it just need that little bit smaller diameter to fit behind wheel as the R32 are 365 are they not?
Very nice anyway.

My original brakes (Cupra / S3 / R32 - all the same bar colour) were 345mm  :happy2: 
But the calipers were made of lead and steel and bricks lol
Title: Re: Porsche 996TT brake kit - The Not Quite So Big brake Kits Bigger HARDER brother!
Post by: s3dubbin on February 07, 2012, 12:30:30 pm
Excellent write up Mike brakes look awesome, so are we talking £850ish for full set up? Cheers, Stevie.
Title: Re: Porsche 996TT brake kit - The Not Quite So Big brake Kits Bigger HARDER brother!
Post by: h4rdy on February 07, 2012, 12:35:18 pm
Fair do's.
Does it just need that little bit smaller diameter to fit behind wheel as the R32 are 365 are they not?
Very nice anyway.

My original brakes (Cupra / S3 / R32 - all the same bar colour) were 345mm  :happy2: 
But the calipers were made of lead and steel and bricks lol

My bad yes of course they are.
I am just wondering, to keep as oem as possible, whether it is possible to fit R32 discs then?
Title: Re: Porsche 996TT brake kit - The Not Quite So Big brake Kits Bigger HARDER brother!
Post by: h4rdy on February 07, 2012, 12:36:10 pm
I imagine the position of the disc on the rotor is different to enable it to sit further back maybe?
Title: Re: Porsche 996TT brake kit - The Not Quite So Big brake Kits Bigger HARDER brother!
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on February 07, 2012, 12:42:06 pm
Fair do's.
Does it just need that little bit smaller diameter to fit behind wheel as the R32 are 365 are they not?
Very nice anyway.

My original brakes (Cupra / S3 / R32 - all the same bar colour) were 345mm  :happy2:  
But the calipers were made of lead and steel and bricks lol

My bad yes of course they are.
I am just wondering, to keep as oem as possible, whether it is possible to fit R32 discs then?

To use oem Cupra / s3 discs you want the DB9 setup that  'Gti mad' bought off me. That needs MC upgrade though.


Excellent write up Mike brakes look awesome, so are we talking £850ish for full set up? Cheers, Stevie.

Thanks mate  :smiley: depends where you get your calipers from really.  I paid about £950 with gleaming calipers but had my nqs bbk to help fund it / soften the blow lol.
Title: Re: Porsche 996TT brake kit - The Not Quite So Big brake Kits Bigger HARDER brother!
Post by: QD MBE on February 07, 2012, 01:03:37 pm
Discs are ML500 discs.  Good enough to stop a 2 ton + sausage munching machine..................
Title: Re: Porsche 996TT brake kit - The Not Quite So Big brake Kits Bigger HARDER brother!
Post by: E30Dom on February 07, 2012, 01:19:13 pm
Brakes look awesome Mike!

This is the set up I hope to go with once funds allow...

Can you tell me offset of your wheels as I have TD's and was hoping to avoid spacers...

Thanks.
Title: Re: Porsche 996TT brake kit - The Not Quite So Big brake Kits Bigger HARDER brother!
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on February 07, 2012, 01:24:40 pm
Brakes look awesome Mike!

This is the set up I hope to go with once funds allow...

Can you tell me offset of your wheels as I have TD's and was hoping to avoid spacers...

Thanks.

Gaz tells me they're ET45 8x18 I px'ed my CHs with him  :happy2:
Title: Re: Porsche 996TT brake kit - The Not Quite So Big brake Kits Bigger HARDER brother!
Post by: E30Dom on February 07, 2012, 01:30:51 pm
That's a bugger same as mine... MMmmm
Title: Re: Porsche 996TT brake kit - The Not Quite So Big brake Kits Bigger HARDER brother!
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on February 07, 2012, 01:34:24 pm

That's how I felt but theyre very very good. Just used a 3mm spacer (can you get 2mm ones?)
Title: Re: Porsche 996TT brake kit - The Not Quite So Big brake Kits Bigger HARDER brother!
Post by: jimk04 on February 07, 2012, 10:16:44 pm
Top write up Mike, they look.sweet! :congrats:
Title: Re: Porsche 996TT brake kit - The Not Quite So Big brake Kits Bigger HARDER brother!
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on February 08, 2012, 10:34:57 pm
Discs are ML500 discs.  Good enough to stop a 2 ton + sausage munching machine..................


Especially with PF01 pads  :party: :party:
Title: Re: Porsche 996TT brake kit - The Not Quite So Big brake Kits Bigger HARDER brother!
Post by: taff-turbo on March 22, 2012, 10:29:17 pm
gorgeous  :love: exactly what i was looking for  :happy2:
Title: Re: Porsche 996TT brake kit - The Not Quite So Big brake Kits Bigger HARDER brother!
Post by: nadlad on March 26, 2012, 06:48:50 pm
wow
Title: Re: Porsche 996TT brake kit - The Not Quite So Big brake Kits Bigger HARDER brother!
Post by: nadlad on March 28, 2012, 12:32:25 am
do these clear oem mk5 r32 omanyts?
Title: Re: Porsche 996TT brake kit - The Not Quite So Big brake Kits Bigger HARDER brother!
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on March 28, 2012, 08:30:56 am
do these clear oem mk5 r32 omanyts?

I wouldnt like to say, I needed a 3mm spacer

DaveB may well be able to advise you  :happy2:
Title: Re: Porsche 996TT brake kit - The Not Quite So Big brake Kits Bigger HARDER brother!
Post by: monte on March 28, 2012, 08:52:29 am
WOW Mike  :drool:

I thought you had the NQSBBK.  :confused:

How are you finding the Bigger brothers now???

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2FMods%2Fporsche_turbo_brakes%2Fbff426c6.jpg&hash=f149fe15effefc140a36865688035363699a41f8)

They look amazing mate  :happy2:

I'm in the same boat when it comes to the discs. I would love to shed some weight and get the NQSBBK, but having the S3 brakes all round I really don't wanna go back to the smaller 312's.

Looks like you have found the best of both worlds matey.  :wink:  (although spacers with the oem wheels put me off a bit)

Whats the price/availablity/selection of the discs and pads like?  :popcornsoda:




….Ive got an R32 front brake setup all boxed up in the garage, and I couldn't believe what they weighed!!! 42KGS  :jumping: :scared: :jumping:
(The old front AND rear GTi brakes weighed in at 50kgs)  :confused:



Title: Re: Porsche 996TT brake kit - The Not Quite So Big brake Kits Bigger HARDER brother!
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on March 28, 2012, 11:26:57 am

Thanks Carlo

Ill be honest Ive barely driven the car lately!  :sad1:  They do have a great feel though.

Had it been more than 3mm spacer I wouldn't have been happy.

Price would range from £700 - £1100 depending where you source your calipers (and if you feel they want a refurb) and what discs you get (plain, drilled, j hooked etc as per 1st post)

I was happy with the performance of the nqsbbk but other than a ££££ (and expensive to maintain) 2 piece rotor kit with lightweight calipers (VWR/Alcon etc) this is the ideal soloution for me, until I win the lottery  :laugh:

Title: Re: Porsche 996TT brake kit - The Not Quite So Big brake Kits Bigger HARDER brother!
Post by: vRSAlex on March 28, 2012, 06:10:58 pm
As ive driven it more than Mike recently all I will say is they work very well and I dont think the extra weight has comprimised anything.

Just needs some slightly better pads and they will give the kit some more feel.
Title: Re: Porsche 996TT brake kit - The Not Quite So Big brake Kits Bigger HARDER brot
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on March 28, 2012, 06:31:22 pm
im buying stokeys pf01 track pads ;)
Title: Re: Porsche 996TT brake kit - The Not Quite So Big brake Kits Bigger HARDER brother!
Post by: maxxximus on April 01, 2012, 06:22:59 pm
Umm you cant beat a good set of anchors  :laugh:
Title: Re: Porsche 996TT brake kit - The Not Quite So Big brake Kits Bigger HARDER brother!
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on June 03, 2012, 01:06:18 pm

Have a bit more experience with this kit now after my first track day.

They handled very very well! Even on the oem Porsche pads.  :smiley:

Braking in the right places in a straight line the s3 rears helped negate any squirm too. 
There was a little but I have slightly different compound tyres on the back so am blaming that for now
Title: Re: Porsche 996TT brake kit - The Not Quite So Big brake Kits Bigger HARDER brother!
Post by: berg on June 14, 2012, 10:39:44 pm
Dave - How much extra weight per corner is this set up over the NQSBBK? I guess what I really want to know is it worth upgrading, bearing in mind the additional weight, on a car which is not put on track but does get some occasional good fast road use?

Mike - Do the 350mm discs mean that the car stops on a 6 pence, over the 312mm set up of the NQSBBK? As it seems to stop well enough on the 312 set up...
Title: Re: Porsche 996TT brake kit - The Not Quite So Big brake Kits Bigger HARDER brother!
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on June 14, 2012, 10:43:29 pm
Dave - How much extra weight per corner is this set up over the NQSBBK? I guess what I really want to know is it worth upgrading, bearing in mind the additional weight, on a car which is not put on track but does get some occasional good fast road use?

Mike - Do the 350mm discs mean that the car stops on a 6 pence, over the 312mm set up of the NQSBBK? As it seems to stop well enough on the 312 set up...

I wish I could let you compare my car to yours but I'm in Scotland for 6 weeks then Afghanistan  :sad1:

The discs are obviously heavier. Iirc the 350mm are 12kg p/ disc but the stopping power is brilliant!  Even moreso than the NQS
I'd love to try them with a 'sport' pad
Title: Re: Porsche 996TT brake kit - The Not Quite So Big brake Kits Bigger HARDER brother!
Post by: berg on June 14, 2012, 10:57:07 pm
i dont think will need much convincing tbh, my wallet might though it has already started sulking at the thought  :party:
Title: Re: Porsche 996TT brake kit - The Not Quite So Big brake Kits Bigger HARDER brother!
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on June 14, 2012, 10:59:18 pm
i dont think will need much convincing tbh, my wallet might though it has already started sulking at the thought  :party:

 :evilgrin:

Title: Re: Porsche 996TT brake kit - The Not Quite So Big brake Kits Bigger HARDER brother!
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on June 14, 2012, 11:04:48 pm

Where are you based?
Title: Re: Porsche 996TT brake kit - The Not Quite So Big brake Kits Bigger HARDER brother!
Post by: taff-turbo on July 13, 2012, 02:30:14 am
this kit seems ideal for what i want  :happy2: a good all round comprimise  :wink:
Title: Re: Porsche 996TT brake kit - The Not Quite So Big brake Kits Bigger HARDER brother!
Post by: JamesG on July 25, 2012, 09:31:17 pm
Need to try source some calipers now after reading this. :drool:
Title: Re: Porsche 996TT brake kit - The Not Quite So Big brake Kits Bigger HARDER brother!
Post by: Janner_Sy on July 26, 2012, 07:04:02 am
Mike - Do the 350mm discs mean that the car stops on a 6 pence, over the 312mm set up of the NQSBBK? As it seems to stop well enough on the 312 set up...

Not sure of how much better they are than the NQSBBK, but they have some horrendous stopping power, like Mike said, i dread to think how good they would be with a high end pad in there as well!!

Title: Re: Porsche 996TT brake kit - The Not Quite So Big brake Kits Bigger HARDER brother!
Post by: berg on February 05, 2013, 11:53:27 am
i have succumbed and bought mike's brakes off him, excited to get some serious anchors on the car  :party:  :jumpmove:
Title: Re: Porsche 996TT brake kit - The Not Quite So Big brake Kits Bigger HARDER brother!
Post by: fab5freddy on February 05, 2013, 12:29:24 pm
^^^^^ thought you were saving/finished modding  :evilgrin:
Title: Re: Porsche 996TT brake kit - The Not Quite So Big brake Kits Bigger HARDER brother!
Post by: Cupra R on February 05, 2013, 12:29:44 pm
i have succumbed and bought mike's brakes off him, excited to get some serious anchors on the car  :party:  :jumpmove:

You won't be disappointed berg. Great setup  :happy2:
Title: Re: Porsche 996TT brake kit - The Not Quite So Big brake Kits Bigger HARDER brother!
Post by: fab5freddy on February 05, 2013, 12:33:51 pm
I'm not jealous one bit Andy  :wink:
Title: Re: Porsche 996TT brake kit - The Not Quite So Big brake Kits Bigger HARDER brother!
Post by: berg on February 05, 2013, 12:40:55 pm
^^^^^ thought you were saving/finished modding  :evilgrin:


well i have kind of. this is an exchange deal, bit like a chain when buying a house as my NQSBBK offsets cost of 996T set up (thats how I am justifying it to myself anyhow  :jumping:)

do you have this set up cupra?
Title: Re: Porsche 996TT brake kit - The Not Quite So Big brake Kits Bigger HARDER brother!
Post by: Cupra R on February 05, 2013, 12:43:13 pm
^^^^^ thought you were saving/finished modding  :evilgrin:


well i have kind of. this is an exchange deal, bit like a chain when buying a house as my NQSBBK offsets cost of 996T set up (thats how I am justifying it to myself anyhow  :jumping:)

do you have this set up cupra?

No, but I've witnessed it  :happy2:
Title: Re: Porsche 996TT brake kit - The Not Quite So Big brake Kits Bigger HARDER brother!
Post by: DFish on February 05, 2013, 12:51:41 pm
Berg, you wont find a less used set out there. ;)

Fish
Title: Re: Porsche 996TT brake kit - The Not Quite So Big brake Kits Bigger HARDER brother!
Post by: rich83 on February 05, 2013, 12:53:21 pm
Berg, you wont find a less used set out there. ;)

Fish

PMSL!!  :happy2:
Title: Re: Porsche 996TT brake kit - The Not Quite So Big brake Kits Bigger HARDER brother!
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on February 05, 2013, 01:20:45 pm

They certainly haven't had a hard life lol
Title: Re: Porsche 996TT brake kit - The Not Quite So Big brake Kits Bigger HARDER brother!
Post by: h4rdy on February 06, 2013, 11:02:47 am
I nearly succumbed but then saw the new Alex setup.....................although I think these are just as good.
Title: Re: Porsche 996TT brake kit - The Not Quite So Big brake Kits Bigger HARDER brother!
Post by: vRSAlex on February 06, 2013, 06:03:51 pm
I nearly succumbed but then saw the new Alex setup.....................although I think these are just as good.

Buy my R8 calipers!
Title: Re: Porsche 996TT brake kit - The Not Quite So Big brake Kits Bigger HARDER brother!
Post by: monte on February 07, 2013, 07:28:09 am
TFSIMNQSBBKBHB  :laugh:
Title: Re: Porsche 996TT brake kit - The Not Quite So Big brake Kits Bigger HARDER brother!
Post by: h4rdy on February 07, 2013, 09:16:30 am
I nearly succumbed but then saw the new Alex setup.....................although I think these are just as good.

Buy my R8 calipers!

What are the monthly terms?

£10 per month?

PM a price anyway but I prefer the red ones. :rolleye:
Title: Re: Porsche 996TT brake kit - The Not Quite So Big brake Kits Bigger HARDER brother!
Post by: vRSAlex on February 07, 2013, 01:04:34 pm
I nearly succumbed but then saw the new Alex setup.....................although I think these are just as good.

Buy my R8 calipers!

What are the monthly terms?

£10 per month?

PM a price anyway but I prefer the red ones. :rolleye:

My new Brembo kit it is then  :happy2:
Title: Re: Porsche 996TT brake kit - The Not Quite So Big brake Kits Bigger HARDER brother!
Post by: berg on March 21, 2013, 01:13:17 pm
these brakes are now mine  :evilgrin:  :jumpmove:

Going to get Nathan to do a detail on the car including the calipers so will post up some pics once done in next few months
Title: Re: Porsche 996TT brake kit - The Not Quite So Big brake Kits Bigger HARDER brother!
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on March 21, 2013, 03:19:47 pm

Hope you're happy Andy!  :happy2:
Title: Re: Porsche 996TT brake kit - The Not Quite So Big brake Kits Bigger HARDER brother!
Post by: berg on March 21, 2013, 03:58:52 pm

Hope you're happy Andy!  :happy2:


yeah i think so mike, just not had proper chance to give them much use but i think with brakes, on the road, you hope not to but when you have to you are glad of the extra power  :happy2:
Title: Re: Porsche 996TT brake kit - The Not Quite So Big brake Kits Bigger HARDER brother!
Post by: eddy_30 on April 04, 2013, 10:49:49 pm
Just to complete the little family tree that is going on here, I'm really happy with berg's old nqsbbk... Nice first intro...

So I guess we should all keep in touch for the next upgrade cascade... :)
Title: Re: Porsche 996TT brake kit - The Not Quite So Big brake Kits Bigger HARDER brother!
Post by: berg on April 04, 2013, 10:53:06 pm
Just to complete the little family tree that is going on here, I'm really happy with berg's old nqsbbk... Nice first intro...

So I guess we should all keep in touch for the next upgrade cascade... :)


yeah it was a good kit, got used to the feel of the 996tt kit now, tbh i probably dont need anything more than the nqsbbk but i like the look of the big merc discs and big calipers behind the new bbs vz  :pomppomp:
Title: Re: Porsche 996TT brake kit - The Not Quite So Big brake Kits Bigger HARDER brother!
Post by: eddy_30 on April 04, 2013, 11:57:02 pm
Nice, the bigger discs definitely look better...
Title: Re: Porsche 996TT brake kit - The Not Quite So Big brake Kits Bigger HARDER brother!
Post by: oak_grun on April 14, 2013, 12:40:14 pm
Have just picked up a set of these calipers for my Edition. :happy2:

Question I have is, will they fit behind the standard Edition 30 alloys or will spacers be required?   :smiley:

Also who is it on here that re-furbs calipers?

Thanks
 :smiley:
Title: Re: Porsche 996TT brake kit - The Not Quite So Big brake Kits Bigger HARDER brother!
Post by: berg on April 14, 2013, 09:34:03 pm
Have just picked up a set of these calipers for my Edition. :happy2:

Question I have is, will they fit behind the standard Edition 30 alloys or will spacers be required?   :smiley:

Also who is it on here that re-furbs calipers?

Thanks
 :smiley:


nope, spacers required
Title: Re: Porsche 996TT brake kit - The Not Quite So Big brake Kits Bigger HARDER brother!
Post by: MC71 on April 14, 2013, 09:40:19 pm
Have just picked up a set of these calipers for my Edition. :happy2:

Question I have is, will they fit behind the standard Edition 30 alloys or will spacers be required?   :smiley:

Also who is it on here that re-furbs calipers?

Thanks
 :smiley:

Send an email to Jonny at brakecaliperrefurb.co.uk (as recommended by DaveB), he refurb'd mine and they look immense, he was offering free Composite ceramic protection finish for peeps on the forum, not sure if he's still doing that but worth asking.

Here you go....

~~ Clicky here ~~ (http://www.brakecaliperrefurbs.co.uk/)
Title: Re: Porsche 996TT brake kit - The Not Quite So Big brake Kits Bigger HARDER brother!
Post by: oak_grun on April 18, 2013, 11:58:49 am
Have just picked up a set of these calipers for my Edition. :happy2:

Question I have is, will they fit behind the standard Edition 30 alloys or will spacers be required?   :smiley:

Also who is it on here that re-furbs calipers?

Thanks
 :smiley:


nope, spacers required

what size spacers are required to get them to clear the wheels?  thanks



Title: Re: Porsche 996TT brake kit - The Not Quite So Big brake Kits Bigger HARDER brother!
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on April 18, 2013, 12:15:46 pm

I ran a 3mm spacer with TD PR1.2
Title: Re: Porsche 996TT brake kit - The Not Quite So Big brake Kits Bigger HARDER brother!
Post by: berg on April 18, 2013, 01:00:25 pm

I ran a 3mm spacer with TD PR1.2


3mm for me too
Title: Re: Porsche 996TT brake kit - The Not Quite So Big brake Kits Bigger HARDER brother!
Post by: oak_grun on April 18, 2013, 01:30:50 pm
is anyone ruuning them behind standard edition 30 alloys with 3mm spacer?

just trying to establish what to get them on!

many thanks
Title: Re: Porsche 996TT brake kit - The Not Quite So Big brake Kits Bigger HARDER brother!
Post by: berg on April 18, 2013, 02:41:05 pm
is anyone ruuning them behind standard edition 30 alloys with 3mm spacer?

just trying to establish what to get them on!

many thanks


i think you will need more than a 3mm with the pescara tbh and then rubbing issues will arise
Title: Re: Porsche 996TT brake kit - The Not Quite So Big brake Kits Bigger HARDER brother!
Post by: oak_grun on May 05, 2013, 10:55:55 am
Anyone running / have pics of them behind set of Pescara alloys please?

Title: Re: Porsche 996TT brake kit - The Not Quite So Big brake Kits Bigger HARDER brother!
Post by: berg on May 07, 2013, 04:22:08 pm
Anyone running / have pics of them behind set of Pescara alloys please?




as far as i am aware no one on here tried the kit under a oem pescara
Title: Re: Porsche 996TT brake kit - The Not Quite So Big brake Kits Bigger HARDER brother!
Post by: oak_grun on May 11, 2013, 01:31:53 pm
Anyone running / have pics of them behind set of Pescara alloys please?




as far as i am aware no one on here tried the kit under a oem pescara

Hmmm...may have to sell and opt for the smaller set up as I do not want to change alloys.  :confused:
Title: Re: Porsche 996TT brake kit - The Not Quite So Big brake Kits Bigger HARDER brother!
Post by: Tr0nic on May 31, 2013, 06:45:56 pm
Anyone running / have pics of them behind set of Pescara alloys please?




as far as i am aware no one on here tried the kit under a oem pescara

Hmmm...may have to sell and opt for the smaller set up as I do not want to change alloys.  :confused:

Would be a shame !  Do you have the stock 18" Monza II ? Maybe you could try the fit and use washers to temporarily determin the needed amount of spacers ?  :smiley:
Title: Re: Porsche 996TT brake kit - The Not Quite So Big brake Kits Bigger HARDER brother!
Post by: oak_grun on June 02, 2013, 10:29:08 am
Anyone running / have pics of them behind set of Pescara alloys please?




as far as i am aware no one on here tried the kit under a oem pescara

Hmmm...may have to sell and opt for the smaller set up as I do not want to change alloys.  :confused:

Would be a shame !  Do you have the stock 18" Monza II ? Maybe you could try the fit and use washers to temporarily determin the needed amount of spacers ?  :smiley:


Only have OEM Pescara alloys....gutted as dnt want to run massive spacers and no one seems to have them fitted behind standard ED30 alloys.....for sale thread to follow shortly me thinks.....
Title: Re: Porsche 996TT brake kit - The Not Quite So Big brake Kits Bigger HARDER brother!
Post by: dan1985 on June 02, 2013, 12:35:31 pm
Let me know when your putting them up for sale.

Cheers,
Dan
Title: Re: Porsche 996TT brake kit - The Not Quite So Big brake Kits Bigger HARDER brother!
Post by: DaveB@Vagbremtechnic on June 02, 2013, 03:55:18 pm
The only kit that will fit behind a Pescara with no spacers is the 330mm AP racing kit using the CP5200 Caliper

They're only 7.5" wide there's only so much you can do. If somebody is he'll bent on sticking with the pesky pescaras then get the 360mm B5 RS4 kit its twin piston and an excellent pedal track proven and loads of pads available from DS2500 right through to RS29

They're cheap to buy but discs are expensive but last a long time, even with new discs and refurbed it would be inside of £800 and very OEM++

Top Cat was the first to fit them and gave very good feedback did a ring trip and a track day or two had a few issues with compound compatibility but they always reportedly felt very strong
Title: Re: Porsche 996TT brake kit - The Not Quite So Big brake Kits Bigger HARDER brother!
Post by: Janner_Sy on June 02, 2013, 11:13:12 pm
Question from a friend.

Does this kit HAVE TO use Merc 350mm discs, or can it be used on an R32 345mm disc?  He has new discs on his car and is after a bolt on caliper/carrier setup that doesnt nvolve him buying new discs.
Title: Re: Porsche 996TT brake kit - The Not Quite So Big brake Kits Bigger HARDER brother!
Post by: vRSAlex on June 03, 2013, 08:08:16 am
Some db9 calipers with some brackets Dave does will fit over the 345's.  Same as my R8 setup was.

I have db9 calipers on the shelf too!
Title: Re: Porsche 996TT brake kit - The Not Quite So Big brake Kits Bigger HARDER brother!
Post by: DaveB@Vagbremtechnic on June 03, 2013, 08:50:09 am
And r8 rears can fit over r32 discs, just pretty much a 12mm spacer required on a 7.5" wheel
Title: Re: Porsche 996TT brake kit - The Not Quite So Big brake Kits Bigger HARDER brother!
Post by: billman on July 24, 2013, 09:27:01 pm
I have a bbk my self from daveb bought from him at 2009. Awesome kit. The only problem was with the discs. The hub centre of the discs he had sent me was wrong and I was forced to make them 2 piece with aluminum centre bell which of course wasn't cheap.
Title: Re: Porsche 996TT brake kit - The Not Quite So Big brake Kits Bigger HARDER brother!
Post by: berg on September 09, 2013, 04:24:34 pm
Just a heads up on this kit re clearance/spacers.

When I bought from Mike I was under impression would fit with BBS VZ without a spacer.

The kit would not but I think this was because have TT wishbones kitted and the extra poke required 3mm spacer.

Unfortunately, i now need arch work/arches rolling slightly as it has rubbed quite badly a couple of times and you can see where is cutting into the tyre wall. On inspection of my arch it has taken a bit of paint off it so wing will need re-spraying I presume after the work  :scared: not good really.

The kit looks immense under the wheels and performs very well but probably would have stuck with NQSBBK if new I was going to have these issues
Title: Re: Porsche 996TT brake kit - The Not Quite So Big brake Kits Bigger HARDER brother!
Post by: Smokengunz on November 26, 2013, 10:47:43 am
Hi All I need some help and this looks like the right post.
I'm wanting to fit a set of brakes of a Porsche 996 911 turbo.
I'm sure there are easier brakes to fit out there but these were given to me for free so would really like to get them working.

PN's:
996.352.425
996.352.426
996.351.429
996.351.430

To my Golf Gti mk6 can anyone advise me on the rotors and brackets that will fit these calipers to this car.
Title: Re: Porsche 996TT brake kit - The Not Quite So Big brake Kits Bigger HARDER brother!
Post by: berg on November 27, 2013, 12:37:46 pm
Hi All I need some help and this looks like the right post.
I'm wanting to fit a set of brakes of a Porsche 996 911 turbo.
I'm sure there are easier brakes to fit out there but these were given to me for free so would really like to get them working.

PN's:
996.352.425
996.352.426
996.351.429
996.351.430

To my Golf Gti mk6 can anyone advise me on the rotors and brackets that will fit these calipers to this car.



call alex as you have more chance of getting through to father xmas than Dave  :signLOL:
Title: Re: Porsche 996TT brake kit - The Not Quite So Big brake Kits Bigger HARDER brother!
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on December 15, 2013, 07:51:27 pm
Just a heads up on this kit re clearance/spacers.

When I bought from Mike I was under impression would fit with BBS VZ without a spacer.

The kit would not but I think this was because have TT wishbones kitted and the extra poke required 3mm spacer.

Unfortunately, i now need arch work/arches rolling slightly as it has rubbed quite badly a couple of times and you can see where is cutting into the tyre wall. On inspection of my arch it has taken a bit of paint off it so wing will need re-spraying I presume after the work  :scared: not good really.

The kit looks immense under the wheels and performs very well but probably would have stuck with NQSBBK if new I was going to have these issues

Tt wishbones gave me headaches and ended up being quite costly. I thought that was an issue on the Leon & not the Golf as a few people seemed to have run them on the golf.

The change in geometry moved my wheel further forward causing it to catch my arch & bumper.  CupraR arms & super pro ball joints turned out to be the solution

Besides your niggles hope you are happy with the brakes!  :smiley:
Title: Re: Porsche 996TT brake kit - The Not Quite So Big brake Kits Bigger HARDER brother!
Post by: vag12 on February 19, 2014, 12:53:23 am
What sort of pads can you use with these calipers
Title: Re: Porsche 996TT brake kit - The Not Quite So Big brake Kits Bigger HARDER brother!
Post by: berg on February 19, 2014, 05:16:44 pm
What sort of pads can you use with these calipers


pagid, ferodo, mintex
Title: Re: Porsche 996TT brake kit - The Not Quite So Big brake Kits Bigger HARDER brother!
Post by: vag12 on February 19, 2014, 05:50:53 pm
What sort of pads can you use with these calipers


pagid, ferodo, mintex

Anyone know where I can get a fitting kit for these? Gave daveB 2 PM's no reply yet does anyone know?
Title: Re: Porsche 996TT brake kit - The Not Quite So Big brake Kits Bigger HARDER brother!
Post by: berg on February 21, 2014, 11:15:11 am
Alex may be able to help or Johnny at Brake Caliper Refurbs
Title: Re: Porsche 996TT brake kit - The Not Quite So Big brake Kits Bigger HARDER brother!
Post by: DaveB@Vagbremtechnic on February 21, 2014, 02:22:52 pm
What sort of pads can you use with these calipers


pagid, ferodo, mintex

Anyone know where I can get a fitting kit for these? Gave daveB 2 PM's no reply yet does anyone know?

Fitting Kit with discs is £475 plain discs, Drilled or J hooked £525 Thats discs, centring rings, carriers, lines, bolts, disc fixings.

Just add calipers and pads


The discs get the centre bore taken out to 68mm so the centring rings work, so a little bit to it to get it to fit properly which it does

Dave
Title: Re: Porsche 996TT brake kit - The Not Quite So Big brake Kits Bigger HARDER brother!
Post by: lingenfelter on June 17, 2014, 10:13:17 pm
I want to replace my pads (using this kit for a year and a half already ).
Does Nybody knows which pads are Porsche oem?
Where can I get them?
Title: Re: Porsche 996TT brake kit - The Not Quite So Big brake Kits Bigger HARDER brother!
Post by: DaveB@Vagbremtechnic on June 17, 2014, 10:33:13 pm
Hi Bud

Got your PM but I'll post it here, OEM pads are Textar with a 7074 compound which is a fast road nothing really special, had many guys wanting to keep it exactly 996T OEM and had awful squealing from the Porache OEM pads.....

Its to do with the fact that 350 is right on the limit for this caliper design size is 330mm.

Best bet fast road are the ATE pads from Euro Car parts, about £85 solid performer and quiet as a church mouse.....MUST be the ATE ones though...they're very good

Davd
Title: Re: Porsche 996TT brake kit - The Not Quite So Big brake Kits Bigger HARDER brother!
Post by: lingenfelter on June 18, 2014, 07:17:56 am
Thanks Dave!

Are these the ATE ones?
http://www.eurocarparts.com/mobile/ecp/c/Porsche_911_3.6_2007/p/car-parts/brakes/brake-friction/brake-pad/?101330365&1&7cd6a2f36ad832f9b026b97a7db1bc92f82ce7e0&000036 (http://www.eurocarparts.com/mobile/ecp/c/Porsche_911_3.6_2007/p/car-parts/brakes/brake-friction/brake-pad/?101330365&1&7cd6a2f36ad832f9b026b97a7db1bc92f82ce7e0&000036)
Title: Re: Porsche 996TT brake kit - The Not Quite So Big brake Kits Bigger HARDER brother!
Post by: berg on June 18, 2014, 10:32:35 am
Hi Bud

Got your PM but I'll post it here, OEM pads are Textar with a 7074 compound which is a fast road nothing really special, had many guys wanting to keep it exactly 996T OEM and had awful squealing from the Porache OEM pads.....

Its to do with the fact that 350 is right on the limit for this caliper design size is 330mm.

Best bet fast road are the ATE pads from Euro Car parts, about £85 solid performer and quiet as a church mouse.....MUST be the ATE ones though...they're very good

Davd


Hi Dave I got the Minxtex ones from Brakes Int as could not get hold of you, are they ok as not fitted them yet? ta
Title: Re: Porsche 996TT brake kit - The Not Quite So Big brake Kits Bigger HARDER brother!
Post by: lingenfelter on June 18, 2014, 11:03:43 am
Is this the one?

http://www.eurocarparts.com/ecp/c/Porsche_911_3.8_2008/p/Car-Parts/Service-Parts/Regular-Service/Brake-Pads/?101330445&1&d37a8231867c406475abc33a6441325f6b0a8b52&000036 (http://www.eurocarparts.com/ecp/c/Porsche_911_3.8_2008/p/Car-Parts/Service-Parts/Regular-Service/Brake-Pads/?101330445&1&d37a8231867c406475abc33a6441325f6b0a8b52&000036)
Title: Re:
Post by: mdmay on June 18, 2014, 11:37:42 am
Dave would these work 340mm discs then?

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Title: Re: Porsche 996TT brake kit - The Not Quite So Big brake Kits Bigger HARDER brother!
Post by: berg on June 18, 2014, 05:14:23 pm
Is this the one?

http://www.eurocarparts.com/ecp/c/Porsche_911_3.8_2008/p/Car-Parts/Service-Parts/Regular-Service/Brake-Pads/?101330445&1&d37a8231867c406475abc33a6441325f6b0a8b52&000036 (http://www.eurocarparts.com/ecp/c/Porsche_911_3.8_2008/p/Car-Parts/Service-Parts/Regular-Service/Brake-Pads/?101330445&1&d37a8231867c406475abc33a6441325f6b0a8b52&000036)


blimey they are expensive compared tot he mintex ones i bought
Title: Re: Porsche 996TT brake kit - The Not Quite So Big brake Kits Bigger HARDER brother!
Post by: berg on June 19, 2014, 09:04:56 am
Is this the one?

http://www.eurocarparts.com/ecp/c/Porsche_911_3.8_2008/p/Car-Parts/Service-Parts/Regular-Service/Brake-Pads/?101330445&1&d37a8231867c406475abc33a6441325f6b0a8b52&000036 (http://www.eurocarparts.com/ecp/c/Porsche_911_3.8_2008/p/Car-Parts/Service-Parts/Regular-Service/Brake-Pads/?101330445&1&d37a8231867c406475abc33a6441325f6b0a8b52&000036)

You need to empty your inbox jim
Title: Re: Porsche 996TT brake kit - The Not Quite So Big brake Kits Bigger HARDER brother!
Post by: lingenfelter on June 19, 2014, 02:16:05 pm
Is this the one?

http://www.eurocarparts.com/ecp/c/Porsche_911_3.8_2008/p/Car-Parts/Service-Parts/Regular-Service/Brake-Pads/?101330445&1&d37a8231867c406475abc33a6441325f6b0a8b52&000036 (http://www.eurocarparts.com/ecp/c/Porsche_911_3.8_2008/p/Car-Parts/Service-Parts/Regular-Service/Brake-Pads/?101330445&1&d37a8231867c406475abc33a6441325f6b0a8b52&000036)

You need to empty your inbox jim

Done! :happy2:
Title: Re: Porsche 996TT brake kit - The Not Quite So Big brake Kits Bigger HARDER brother!
Post by: jimk04 on June 19, 2014, 04:20:24 pm
I have a pair of Dave B 996TT caliper carriers here, they were Mikes's many  moons ago on his red Leon.

Please PM me if anyone is interested in them.

Dave I hope you done mind me saying this...if so please mods delete this.
Title: Re: Porsche 996TT brake kit - The Not Quite So Big brake Kits Bigger HARDER brother!
Post by: julian_ramos on July 20, 2014, 05:18:31 pm
I would love these in my car, I think a big brake setup is the next step for me, nice review  :happy2:
Title: Re: Porsche 996TT brake kit - The Not Quite So Big brake Kits Bigger HARDER brother!
Post by: oak_grun on July 25, 2014, 11:10:45 am
Right, think i need to pull my finger out and get my calipers fitted to the Edition before I take a trip to R-Tech for a remap!

Does anyone have pics of them sat behind standard Edition 30 alloys?  Whats spacers are required to get them to fit?

Thanks
Title: Re: Porsche 996TT brake kit - The Not Quite So Big brake Kits Bigger HARDER brother!
Post by: fuzion on August 21, 2014, 01:28:22 am
As Dave is near impossible to get hold of these days, anyone know the oem merc rotor for replacement?

(OEM partnumber) 1644210512 - diameter- 350mm

(Height)55,2mm  /(thickness) 32,0mm

Assume thats the correct one? Any input would be great :p Due for a new set soon.
Title: Re: Porsche 996TT brake kit - The Not Quite So Big brake Kits Bigger HARDER brother!
Post by: berg on August 21, 2014, 09:02:39 am
As Dave is near impossible to get hold of these days, anyone know the oem merc rotor for replacement?

(OEM partnumber) 1644210512 - diameter- 350mm

(Height)55,2mm  /(thickness) 32,0mm

Assume thats the correct one? Any input would be great :p Due for a new set soon.


Alex can supply them too  :happy2: