MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Modifications & Technical Area => Cosmetic/Interior Modifications => Topic started by: Phil Miller on February 08, 2012, 08:48:14 pm
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Right everyone, im about to complete my inner tail lights, and ive been keeping up to date with the threads about this so here is what ive done/doing
im using red LED 501 bulbs (2 in each unit) the LEDs are glued in place, the wiring from the bulbs in to the centre of the tailgate where there is a multi plug for each side, these then go down the tailgate and then to the number plate bulb holders, so far i have had no bulb out warnings, i mocked up the 2 looms and plugged them in to the car loom and all is good, now ive just got to fit the units and run the wiring, so once all fitted i will post up plenty of pictures on this thread
If anyone wants a set made i will, and it will be on the basis that you send me your old units after you have fitted the MODed ones so i can keep the cost down, if your interested PM me or post up, that way i can bulk order bulbs and wiring/ multi plugs
Thanks all :happy2:
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I am interested, but as said, we need pics and how easy is it to wire them up? And if a bulb goes is it easy to replace?
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I am interested, but as said, we need pics and how easy is it to wire them up? And if a bulb goes is it easy to replace?
Will get pics up asap, the wiring is a walk in the park, nothing hard at all, because the bulbs in the inner lens are Led they shouldnt blow, but they do from time to time and each set will come with a spare bulb set which are plug and play because ive put the multi plug close to the len units
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Sounds good. What sort if money are we talking about?
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Sounds good. What sort if money are we talking about?
Well if i do it on a 'return your old lights to me after fitting the new ones' then it will be about £30 inc P&P, for that it will be plug and play, with detailed intrustions with plenty of pics to show how to fit
Atm im tweeking the idea alittle, as in the bulbs are now push fit instead of glued so if one blows it can be changed easily, the supply of red Led bulbs have a hard plastic base so once pushed in to the back of the lens they are held strong, pics will be up asap
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Sounds really good. I would pay that to save me messing up my own set. What's the ETA?
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Sounds really good. I would pay that to save me messing up my own set. What's the ETA?
Will have the first set all sorted this weekend (its mad here at the mo, my last day at work tomorrow, son is here this weekend, plus bucket loads of other stuff) when the first set is done i will post up all the pics from start to fitted and working on my car, then i will be able to get a set done a night, so if ordered today i would be able to post out within 24 hrs, the only hold up would be waiting for the old lens to be sent back, but i will try and pick a couple sets up off the bay just to get the ball rolling
the kit will consist of 2 x mod inner lamps
2x wiring harness to plug between number plate lamps car loom and inner lamp mod loom
2x wiring harness from inner lamps to number plate lamp multi plug
2x Led 239 number plate bulbs
detailed fitting instructions
and email and phone helpline :happy2:
I WONT BE SELLING SETS ON EBAY, ONLY THROUGH THIS SITE :star:
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What 501 leds are you using as when i tryed some in mine the light was to direct and didnt light the ring very well or match the outer light? I would be willing to pay that kind of money for you to complete the set i have started.
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This sounds like a good mod for little money! Well done there mate! I could be tempted with this,get some pics up! :happy2:
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What 501 leds are you using as when i tryed some in mine the light was to direct and didnt light the ring very well or match the outer light? I would be willing to pay that kind of money for you to complete the set i have started.
well i had been thinking about this mod for a few weeks and at work a bulb dealer came in and i got talking to him about it and he said about trying his companys bulbs, which is what im doing, the ring lights up really well and because the leds have the hard plastic base they are a tight fit in the lens which is great, today was my last day at the garage so ive got all my tools everywhere and i have my son till sunday i will get pics up as soon as for everyone to see
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ooooh interesting, cost depending
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ooooh interesting, cost depending
it will be £30 inc p&p as long as i have your old lamps sent back to me, its the only way to keep it going as it would cost loads to keep buying inner lamps
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I'm interested :happy2:
I'm guessing you'll be doing this on the r32 rear lights as well as standard lights?
Look forward to the pics :smiley:
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I'm interested :happy2:
I'm guessing you'll be doing this on the r32 rear lights as well as standard lights?
Look forward to the pics :smiley:
To start off they will be just standard light lights unless I find a pair of R32 inners to mod, it will be the set up as the standard ones
I'm waiting for my connectors to come in at TPS so the lamps wiring will plug in to the number plate loom in a standard looking way, I've tested the bulbs and with this set up there is no bulb out warning on the dash and the brightness is very good and not brighter than the filament outers
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would you consider offering this as a retro-fit kit so owner can modify there own light and you supply the bulbs, wire and connectors?
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would you consider offering this as a retro-fit kit so owner can modify there own light and you supply the bulbs, wire and connectors?
Yeah thats a good idea, and with pics and wording it will be easy to follow and saves having to be sending lamps back and forth :happy2:
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Put me down for one. I take it the rear lights you supply will be as good as new, mine are all good.
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I'm interested :happy2:
I'm guessing you'll be doing this on the r32 rear lights as well as standard lights?
Look forward to the pics :smiley:
To start off they will be just standard light lights unless I find a pair of R32 inners to mod, it will be the set up as the standard ones
I'm waiting for my connectors to come in at TPS so the lamps wiring will plug in to the number plate loom in a standard looking way, I've tested the bulbs and with this set up there is no bulb out warning on the dash and the brightness is very good and not brighter than the filament outers
How about if I sent you my r32 inners to mod, would you be happy to do that?
Cheers
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I'm interested :happy2:
I'm guessing you'll be doing this on the r32 rear lights as well as standard lights?
Look forward to the pics :smiley:
To start off they will be just standard light lights unless I find a pair of R32 inners to mod, it will be the set up as the standard ones
I'm waiting for my connectors to come in at TPS so the lamps wiring will plug in to the number plate loom in a standard looking way, I've tested the bulbs and with this set up there is no bulb out warning on the dash and the brightness is very good and not brighter than the filament outers
How about if I sent you my r32 inners to mod, would you be happy to do that?
Cheers
Yeah id do that not a problem mate
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Put me down for one. I take it the rear lights you supply will be as good as new, mine are all good.
the lens ive got at the moment are in very good condition, i wont bother using ones that are ropey tbh
later tonight/tomorrow morning i will start uploading pics for you all to see :fighting2:
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just for clarification...
would this require hot-glueing into the light assembly or would it be a setup whereby the bulbs could be replaced?
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just for clarification...
would this require hot-glueing into the light assembly or would it be a setup whereby the bulbs could be replaced?
The bulb are not glued in they are push fit which would make replacement easy if the need arouse
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right so ive managed to find some time tonight to start uploading pics so to start
so to start i had 2 LED bulbs and soldered a length of wire on to each terminal
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then i took the fog light holder off the back of the light so i could see the back of the ring and marked where i wanted the bulbs
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then i drilled the hole to the size i wanted, LEDs dont get hot so the i made sure the hole was spot on so the bulb is tightish in the lamp
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next up was to mod the fog holder you can see the 2 parts ive cut out to clear the bulbs
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after refitting the fog bulb holder i then cut the wires to form a loom
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due to it being so cold outside i decided to use the boys scalextrix powere pack (its 13.5 volts :happy2:) to power it up its been on for over an hour and the bulbs are stone cold :innocent:
now i cant get a good pic of them lit up here is about the best i can muster
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if i wanna be mega picky at the top and bottom its alittle dull, i did think about a dob of black paint on the tip of each LED or even adding another 2 LEDs one top and one bottom to even the light out a little
so what do you think???
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Looks good, really professional. Hard to see what the finished light will look lit, the flash on the camera probably does it no favours. Are you going to take a picture with them fitted, it would be good to see the comparison with the other light. Keep up the good work you've really achieved something that is better than oem. :happy2:
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Ive compared the light out put from these and the standard outers and i think they are very similar, im gonna fit them tomorrow (if its a little warmer lol) and then take a pic of them next to the filament outers, will use mrs millers flash camera without the flash, like i said there are a dull spot top and bottom but tbh its not much more than the dull spots on the outers
Thank you for your comments mate :happy2:
will get some more pics up tomorrow
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Well done that man!
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personally at £30 id pay that little extra for 4 led's, if the wiring isn't that much more complicated for you, i think that a strong red ring will look more OEM.
Am i right in thinking these will come on as side lights? Have you tested the brightness vs the brake light + Fog?
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personally at £30 id pay that little extra for 4 led's, if the wiring isn't that much more complicated for you, i think that a strong red ring will look more OEM.
Am i right in thinking these will come on as side lights? Have you tested the brightness vs the brake light + Fog?
I was thinking about 4 leds, top, bottom, left and right, the wiring would be easy, be a case of 2 looms and then joined to one, i havent tried the brightness with the fog on yet, but will do tonight, the main problem is LEDs send out a bright beam from the top, rather than all around, i wanna make sure they glow rather than look like bulbs in there, if you get my meaning, its about -4 here atm so i will wait abit before going out side :signLOL:
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phil, any chance you could try with ordinary W5W bulb holders instead of direct soldering?
that way would allow people to swap and change bulbs easily...
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phil, any chance you could try with ordinary W5W bulb holders instead of direct soldering?
that way would allow people to swap and change bulbs easily...
Ive been trying to find some slim 501 bulb holders but cant seem to find what ive got in mind, on the edge on the tailgate there is very little space only about 8mm to play with, im still looking tho
im also trying to find LEDs that emit light out of the sides rather than straight out, if you follow me, that way i think the glow will be 100% spot on
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if i understand it right...the led's your using they look like a single LED with a clear 'lens'?
what if you just used a bit of sandpaper to diffuse the edge?
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if i understand it right...the led's your using they look like a single LED with a clear 'lens'?
what if you just used a bit of sandpaper to diffuse the edge?
Yeah they are the single LEDs I didn't want them to be to bright, I've been looking at the 360 degree led bulbs but they are mega bright
The sand paper is a great idea I will experiment with it later on
Thanks Ali
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Ive been trying to find some slim 501 bulb holders but cant seem to find what ive got in mind, on the edge on the tailgate there is very little space only about 8mm to play with, im still looking tho
im also trying to find LEDs that emit light out of the sides rather than straight out, if you follow me, that way i think the glow will be 100% spot on
Phil, I've got a couple of set of these recently for interior bulbs, work well and are very bright, one led on the nose and then 4 around the circumferance. might provide a solution for you. can drop a pair in the post to you if it helps with the development work. :happy2:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180737742822&ssPageName=ADME:L:OU:GB:1123 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180737742822&ssPageName=ADME:L:OU:GB:1123)
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Ive been trying to find some slim 501 bulb holders but cant seem to find what ive got in mind, on the edge on the tailgate there is very little space only about 8mm to play with, im still looking tho
im also trying to find LEDs that emit light out of the sides rather than straight out, if you follow me, that way i think the glow will be 100% spot on
Phil, I've got a couple of set of these recently for interior bulbs, work well and are very bright, one led on the nose and then 4 around the circumferance. might provide a solution for you. can drop a pair in the post to you if it helps with the development work. :happy2:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180737742822&ssPageName=ADME:L:OU:GB:1123 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180737742822&ssPageName=ADME:L:OU:GB:1123)
That my friend might just be the answer im looking for, how bright are they? Ive got both my lamps fitted and when it gets dark later i will be out (scalextric powerpack in hand lol) to power them up and switch the side lights on, if you could post me a pair that would be great, let me know how much they are and i will paypal you mate :happy2:
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Just taken a picture so you get an idea of the brightness. They are very bright once it gets really dark. PM me your address and i'll drop em in the post tomorrow, FOC. :happy2:
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i think you may find they are too bright will not match outers
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Right everyone its dark, been out with the scalextric controller :signLOL: and im VERY pleased to say they are not much brighter than the filament outers, if i wanna be mega picky they are RED and the outers look orangeish, so i got my OH out to give me her thoughts and she said they look very smart and wants a set on her mk5 :pomppomp:
now as ive found out taking pics of lights in the dark is a nightmare so ive take a pic with no flash for your thoughts, the LEDs look to have a bright centre there not as bright as they look and im gonna try APPLES idea of sand paper, so here they are
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i think the 360 leds will be to bright but if i can take the led on the top out of liting up then that could be a goer, will pm my address now mate :happy2:
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What would be ideal is to be able to put a similar bulb in the outers, that way even if the brightness isn't exactly the same the colour will be.
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best bet is to stand back away from car you will get a all round better picture of them and see how they match
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What would be ideal is to be able to put a similar bulb in the outers, that way even if the brightness isn't exactly the same the colour will be.
well i was thinking the same thing mate :happy2: gonna have a look at canbus friendly 382 LED bulbs in red, that way the bulb out warning will still work and the lights will all be the same colour, all in all im really really pleased with them, just waiting to collect my VAG multi plugs so i can connect them to the number plate harness properly, i feel that after the last few days this mod has come on alot from a few ideas to working well
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any more news mate
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any more news mate
Im in Norfolk atm but i used my car monday with no issues with bulb out at all, ive had a few people comment on them and the slight difference in colour doesnt look as bad as i first thought, so im now able to offer 2 ways for this
First i can supply the bulb looms and the loom to connect to the car, inc a drill bit of the correct size and full step by step guide with pics
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i can supply both inner lens fitted with the bulbs, loom to connect to the car and a step by step guide with pics on how to connect it to the car loom and fit the rear lens, this would be on the understanding that im sent back the inners that are taken off
ive been thinking about the cost of parts and that so prices would be £26 for the supply of parts so you can mod your own rear lamps, and £33 for the supply of Lamps fitted with the LEDs but like i said i would need the old lamps back asap
I will be making to order aswell so it will prob be a 4/5 day turn around
Whatever way the kit is bought i will supply a spare bulb loom for one lamp, even tho they are LEDs and should last ages in case one goes faulty you will have a spare to fit
Like i said im not gonna put this near ebay so its only on here that im gonna be selling them :happy2:
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sounds good to me phil have you any pictures from a distance mate
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I'd like a set please with the lamps! £33 sounds spot on to me!! :happy2:
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sounds good to me phil have you any pictures from a distance mate
i havent taken anymore pics yet, im home at the weekend so will take some at dusk and then and night so you get a good idea as to what they look like :happy2:
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that will be great thanks
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I'd like a set please with the lamps! £33 sounds spot on to me!! :happy2:
Ideal, im home on saturday so will get them made and then pm you, will prob be ready to send out monday/tuesday
Paypal suits me my paypal addie is millerphillip@sky.com and if it can be sent as a gift please or if you wanna send cheque/postal order pm me for my address
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Sent, thanks! :happy2:
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Sent, thanks! :happy2:
Received :happy2:, will pm you the tracking number should be with you mon/tuesday :happy2:
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Looms are all made ive got 3 sets of lights coming and they should be with me tomorrow (monday) will get the bulbs fitted and packed up to send out Tuesday
here are some more pics of mine, its really hard to get good honest pics as my camera always trys to focus on the brightest part of the light
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its about -1 outside my boot is a mess as its to cold to put the trims back in lol
Im also going to be trying the bulbs Chris sent me as they are 360 it will be good to get a few more ideas of bulbs and brightness
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Right all looms made, and info typed up with pics (just gotta print) just waiting on the 3 sets of lights i bought on ebay to arrive (made sure ive got 3 set in perfect condition) as soon as they are here i will drill and fit the bulbs and then send them out
ive tried some different bulbs and have found wide angle give a good match, and best of all ive found the wiring doesnt need to go all the way to the bumper, only down to behind the rear o/s light :happy2:
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Looking forward to getting them! :happy2:
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Following closely :popcornsoda:
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Me too. :grin:
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Might be worth taking a picture at dusk, the camera would probably give a better result.
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Everything is here, will be packed and sent out tomorrow, i will inc my address for the return of your old lights :happy2: and my number if you need any info, at the moment im printing off the fitting guide
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First lot sent out, any problems give me a shout :happy2:
anymore for anymore :star:
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These are the ones I made a few months ago
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These are the ones I made a few months ago
They look good, did you use LEDs of filaments?
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These seem to be progressing well since we last spoke Phil, will also be watching to see the pics come in, could defo be interested :happy2:
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These seem to be progressing well since we last spoke Phil, will also be watching to see the pics come in, could defo be interested :happy2:
Thank you mate :happy2: i will be up your way again in about 6 weeks so if you did want a set i could drop them in on route if you wanted :happy2:
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Just used 501 bulbs mate
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These seem to be progressing well since we last spoke Phil, will also be watching to see the pics come in, could defo be interested :happy2:
Thank you mate :happy2: i will be up your way again in about 6 weeks so if you did want a set i could drop them in on route if you wanted :happy2:
Damn you and your temptation :signLOL: give me a shout nearer the time, would be easy to give you my inners in return! If you bring me the other side skirt as well I would definitely have a pair :grin:
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Just used 501 bulbs mate
How did you get round the clearance with the tailgate, and how are the bulbs held in place?
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These seem to be progressing well since we last spoke Phil, will also be watching to see the pics come in, could defo be interested :happy2:
Thank you mate :happy2: i will be up your way again in about 6 weeks so if you did want a set i could drop them in on route if you wanted :happy2:
Damn you and your temptation :signLOL: give me a shout nearer the time, would be easy to give you my inners in return! If you bring me the other side skirt as well I would definitely have a pair :grin:
now thats a plan, will do my best to find another skirt for you mate :happy2:
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Just used 501 bulbs mate
How did you get round the clearance with the tailgate, and how are the bulbs held in place?
Space is an issue and a right pain in the :booty:.
501's held in with bulb holders, no silicone, plastiwelding etc!!
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Just used 501 bulbs mate
How did you get round the clearance with the tailgate, and how are the bulbs held in place?
Space is an issue and a right pain in the :booty:.
501's held in with bulb holders, no silicone, plastiwelding etc!!
Get on fair play that man :happy2:, i looked at bulb holders, thought about 501 dash light holders, went thro the draw full at work but they all seemed to have big arses, where did you wire yours to?
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These are the ones I made a few months ago
Incandescent light bulb still look way better than led lights imho.
Is another name for the 501 bulbs a t10 w5w bulb? Or is this a different model?
How many clearance is there for a bulb holder?
Would this fit?:
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Or this:
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(possible to turn and lock?!)
diameter: 18,5mm
hole: 12,5mm
height: 15,0mm
Or use 2 or 4 smaller T5 W2W bulbs with holders?:
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And is there a how-to for the wiring? Where to connect? License plate lights?
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These are the ones I made a few months ago
Incandescent light bulb still look way better than led lights imho.
Is another name for the 501 bulbs a t10 w5w bulb? Or is this a different model?
How many clearance is there for a bulb holder?
Would this fit?:
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Or this:
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(possible to turn and lock?!)
diameter: 18,5mm
hole: 12,5mm
height: 15,0mm
Or use 2 or 4 smaller T5 W2W bulbs with holders?:
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And is there a how-to for the wiring? Where to connect? License plate lights?
There is about 8/10mm clearance tops for the outer side, the smaller bulbs might be ok, i didnt bother to try them TBH, the 501 bulb holders you have listed will have to much sticking out the back to fit, the one with the wires out the back defo wont clear and the other ones are designed to get there live and earthfrom the metal strips inside the light so even if you could get clearance with them getting the wiring to them would be a PITA, also yes i agree LEDs do give a different glow to filaments, but once phase 2 is complete the outers will be LED'ed aswell so will look ok
Ive had mine fitted now for over a week and tbh no one has said they dont look right, a lot have asked if it was just a set model that had them fitted as there mk5 dont light up lol
yes ive got a how to for the wiring guide, the worse bit is getting the 2 wires thro the rubber boot from tailgate to car
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There is about 8/10mm clearance tops for the outer side, the smaller bulbs might be ok, i didnt bother to try them TBH, the 501 bulb holders you have listed will have to much sticking out the back to fit, the one with the wires out the back defo wont clear and the other ones are designed to get there live and earthfrom the metal strips inside the light so even if you could get clearance with them getting the wiring to them would be a PITA, also yes i agree LEDs do give a different glow to filaments, but once phase 2 is complete the outers will be LED'ed aswell so will look ok
Ive had mine fitted now for over a week and tbh no one has said they dont look right, a lot have asked if it was just a set model that had them fitted as there mk5 dont light up lol
yes ive got a how to for the wiring guide, the worse bit is getting the 2 wires thro the rubber boot from tailgate to car
Would it be possible to give me a copy of the how-to (wiring)? (PB or Email?) so I can make something with incadescent w2w bulbs for myself (I live in The Netherlands)?
And is it possible to connect them to the license plate bulb wiring without faultcodes/bulb-out warnings? So no wiring from tailgate to car is needed?
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There is about 8/10mm clearance tops for the outer side, the smaller bulbs might be ok, i didnt bother to try them TBH, the 501 bulb holders you have listed will have to much sticking out the back to fit, the one with the wires out the back defo wont clear and the other ones are designed to get there live and earthfrom the metal strips inside the light so even if you could get clearance with them getting the wiring to them would be a PITA, also yes i agree LEDs do give a different glow to filaments, but once phase 2 is complete the outers will be LED'ed aswell so will look ok
Ive had mine fitted now for over a week and tbh no one has said they dont look right, a lot have asked if it was just a set model that had them fitted as there mk5 dont light up lol
yes ive got a how to for the wiring guide, the worse bit is getting the 2 wires thro the rubber boot from tailgate to car
Would it be possible to give me a copy of the how-to (wiring)? (PB or Email?) so I can make something with incadescent w2w bulbs for myself (I live in The Netherlands)?
And is it possible to connect them to the license plate bulb wiring without faultcodes/bulb-out warnings? So no wiring from tailgate to car is needed?
Hi mate if you pm me your email addie I will send it as a PDF file, the way I wired mine is thro the number plate and it works spot on bud
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Tim - if you mean 2w 286 type bulbs then do not waste your time, it barely lights up and doesn't give full coverage.
W3W ones are ok but the heat saving over W5W isn't significant enough to use them instead.
I'm waiting for Phil to crack it before doing any more with mine.
If using filaments then red tinted ones do not give a white reflection that escapes around the centre circle.
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Tim - if you mean 2w 286 type bulbs then do not waste your time, it barely lights up and doesn't give full coverage.
W3W ones are ok but the heat saving over W5W isn't significant enough to use them instead.
I'm waiting for Phil to crack it before doing any more with mine.
If using filaments then red tinted ones do not give a white reflection that escapes around the centre circle.
Thank you mate, i think ive got it cracked, sent out the sets and waiting for some feedback on them :happy2: ive got a set here with your name on them :pomppomp:
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Just used 501 bulbs mate
How did you get round the clearance with the tailgate, and how are the bulbs held in place?
Space is an issue and a right pain in the :booty:.
501's held in with bulb holders, no silicone, plastiwelding etc!!
Looked at the clearance on my mk5 gti today and made a photo.
But looks like there is enough space/clearance to fit a small incandescent or led bulb with holder, don't you guys think?
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Ooooo didn't realise it was just one piece of trim needed to be removed, may have a peek at this tonight.
Well done and thanks to all involved with this, top effort!!
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http://www.thetoolboxshop.com/0-705-12-t10-push-fit-automotive-bulb-holder-9679-p.asp
you need holders as listed above
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Set of looms all made if anyone wants to mod there own £26 or ive got one set left (until i get the old units back) and will mod them for £33, ready to be sent out ASAP
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any photos of what you mean by modded?
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any photos of what you mean by modded?
The inner clusters have 2 holes drilled in each so the bulbs fit snug and the reverse/fog reflectors has 2 parts removed to clear the bulbs, i send out a how to with the kit either way and in the how to it explains how to mod your own light units, some dont mind drilling the lights others would rather not
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sorry pics
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one of the 2 holes drilled
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c'mon peeps anyone had theirs fitted yet?
photos!!!
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everything required inc. connections to the number plate light included for the £33?
let me know when you have a set ready to go, pennies waiting :happy2:
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@ Phil Miller: are yours with LEDs (red or white ones)? Or incandescent ones? Because it always looks like the 'flood' and match with the o.e.m tail lights aren't good with LEDs.
Or am I wrong?...
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Recieved mine yesterday. Hoping to fit on saturday afternoon! :happy2:
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@ Phil Miller: are yours with LEDs (red or white ones)? Or incandescent ones? Because it always looks like the 'flood' and match with the o.e.m tail lights aren't good with LEDs.
Or am I wrong?...
Im using RED Leds and they look good IMHO, you get a nice amount of ring light, tbh you cant compare the filament to LEDs, but imho they give a good light and look smart :happy2:
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Recieved mine yesterday. Hoping to fit on saturday afternoon! :happy2:
Glad they arrived ok, what do you think of the kit and how 2 guide?
Any feedback is good :happy2:
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everything required inc. connections to the number plate light included for the £33?
let me know when you have a set ready to go, pennies waiting :happy2:
Hi mate yes for £33 you get both lights modded with the LEDs and short looms, a new loom to connect both rear lights to the number plate loom using lock connectors (fully removable if you ever needed to), and full how 2 fit guide, ive got a set of looms made just gotta drill the lights and they will be ready to go mate, all i ask is after you have fitted them to send me back your old inners in the packaging and box the new ones come in
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Read that you need to switch of the 'cold startup diagnostics' for the license plate bulbs with vcds to prevent a bulb out warning/fault code. Is this only with LEDs. Only with incandescent. Both. Or not necessary at all when connected to that wiring?
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when you change resistances/voltages in any OEM wiring, this will flag a fault. So when you add wiring for tail lights & tap into number plate wiring, you will need to knock out cold lamp diagnosis.
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Read that you need to switch of the 'cold startup diagnostics' for the license plate bulbs with vcds to prevent a bulb out warning/fault code. Is this only with LEDs. Only with incandescent. Both. Or not necessary at all when connected to that wiring?
I can confirm YOU DO NOT NEED TO TURN BULB OUT WARNING OFF, you will not get a warn using these
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when you change resistances/voltages in any OEM wiring, this will flag a fault. So when you add wiring for tail lights & tap into number plate wiring, you will need to knock out cold lamp diagnosis.
Thats not true mate, the LEDs use such small wattage it doesnt play up the bulb out warning
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have you tried and tested this for a period of time.
Canbus systems are fragile when it comes to any unrecognised changes, otherwise why would you need canbus LED sidelight bulbs if standard LED sidelight bulbs didn't bring bulb warning on dash?
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have you tried and tested this for a period of time.
Canbus systems are fragile when it comes to any unrecognised changes, otherwise why would you need canbus LED sidelight bulbs if standard LED sidelight bulbs didn't bring bulb warning on dash?
2 weeks and 1000 miles, most at night not a problem, canbus is not fragine if you understand how it works, years ago i went on a 2 week course thro the garage i work for and that was about how canbus works and the measures you need to take when working on the network, its not witch craft and there are no hidden scarey things involved, if there is an issue in the network the controller shuts down the circuit asap, 2 weeks and 1000 miles is more than enough to be 100% sure there are no issues with the install
The reason you need can friendly side light bulbs is because of the amps drawn, a standard LED draws very little, so the controller see's whats being used and thinks we have a problem and shuts the system down, nothing more nothing less, its all about keeping within the parameters and with the LEDs ive chosen im well within the parameters, there for not a problem
please dont think i sat on ebay bought some bulbs and thought they will do, ive tried loads of different LEDs with different draws and these come up trumps, a lot of time and thought went into these, so i was 100% sure there wouldnt be an issue
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I wasn't having a dig mate, I'm sure you hav done alot of measuring etc.
I also do alot of electrical courses for the manufacturer I work for, I was just enquiring to the measures that had been taken to ensure correct operation.
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I wasn't having a dig mate, I'm sure you hav done alot of measuring etc.
I also do alot of electrical courses for the manufacturer I work for, I was just enquiring to the measures that had been taken to ensure correct operation.
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Thats ok mate, ive had loads of emails questioning the bulb warning and wiring side of things, when i first saw a thread about the inner tails i looked in to it and managed (good friend in VW) to find out the set parameters for amp, current draw on the lighting systems, i then worked out the highest draw i could get away with and tried them, it failed, bulb out lite as soon as the lights went on :sad1: so i then started contacting bulb companys no joy, then a bulb rep came in to work and i spoke with him and it turned out he could get what i needed, its not the common sort (as they will trigger the light) so i tried them, before i fitted them in to the light units made the loom and had them sat in the boot, no light on the dash winner :happy2: thats when i fitted them fully in mine knowing there wouldnt be an issue
Ive had a request from a lad to make him bespoke LED outer rear lights, which so far has been fun, will look oem, but it will all be LEDs, hoping should have a prototype outer finished 100% by the weekend, once im sure there are no issues the otherside will only take about 2 hours to build
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fair play.
Those Full LED units should be intersting to see :smiley:
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how many leds are you putting in outers cheers
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how many leds are you putting in outers cheers
Lots :grin:, ive found a way of making the rings with the leds and atm im testing the draw on 8, 10, 12 and 14 for the outers, also ive tried having the complete ring light as brake lights and only half, as the inners are side lights as well having the outer ring complete as B/lights looks good, the main problem to start with was getting the indicator to flash bright enough, which ive managed to do, also they will be plug and play, its taken a while to mod the standard bulb holder to play ball, but ive found a way
Watch this space...............
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how many leds are you putting in outers cheers
Lots :grin:, ive found a way of making the rings with the leds and atm im testing the draw on 8, 10, 12 and 14 for the outers, also ive tried having the complete ring light as brake lights and only half, as the inners are side lights as well having the outer ring complete as B/lights looks good, the main problem to start with was getting the indicator to flash bright enough, which ive managed to do, also they will be plug and play, its taken a while to mod the standard bulb holder to play ball, but ive found a way
Watch this space...............
You are such a tease Phil :signLOL:
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will you be able to put more in inners to match the outers cheers
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will you be able to put more in inners to match the outers cheers
when i started work on the inners i had to make sure they blended in with the outers, now as im working on the outers aswell then yes adding to the inners can/will be done, the way i have made the inner light looms and new car loom for the inners it will be easy to upgrade from the 2 LED inners to more if having the LED outers if that makes sense?
basicly once ive got the prototype outers made and ready to sell, anyone who has had a LED inner set from me who wants to have the outers will get the upgrade for inners if they want, altho ATM the inners is still in the process of being put together as the outers is taking top spot
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how many leds are you putting in outers cheers
Lots :grin:, ive found a way of making the rings with the leds and atm im testing the draw on 8, 10, 12 and 14 for the outers, also ive tried having the complete ring light as brake lights and only half, as the inners are side lights as well having the outer ring complete as B/lights looks good, the main problem to start with was getting the indicator to flash bright enough, which ive managed to do, also they will be plug and play, its taken a while to mod the standard bulb holder to play ball, but ive found a way
Watch this space...............
You are such a tease Phil :signLOL:
:signLOL: you know if you want a set i will fit them next time i visit the out laws
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wheres the outlaws lol
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wheres the outlaws lol
Nowich, we go up there every month/6 weeks, are you inbetween Plymouth and Norwich?
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im in leeds west yorkshire i think i am going to wait for the outers to be done and then take it from there
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im in leeds west yorkshire i think i am going to wait for the outers to be done and then take it from there
Thats cool mate, will prob be about 7 days from now i will be able to post up pics of both sides complete and working, ive got some good news for you, ive got family in dewsbury and often visit them when Exeter are playing near by (shame we played in uddersfield saturday, anyway back on topic, when the outers are done if you want a set i can arrange to be in dewsbury and fit them if you wanted mate?
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You are such a tease Phil :signLOL:
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I too am intrigued by the whole set so wait in anticipation :drool: but yes easy to do the old switch over. Do you know how o fit the cruise stalk too Phil? I have the stalk, fear I need the wire though. If not it will be a trip to EddieNL in a couple Of months
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You are such a tease Phil :signLOL:
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:signLOL: you know if you want a set i will fit them next time i visit the out laws
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I too am intrigued by the whole set so wait in anticipation :drool: but yes easy to do the old switch over. Do you know how o fit the cruise stalk too Phil? I have the stalk, fear I need the wire though. If not it will be a trip to EddieNL in a couple Of months
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Fitting the stalk is not a problem and if we had to add the wire thats no biggie tbh, im not on call at the weekend so i will be able to throw about 8 hrs at the outer mod which should see them ready to fit and try out :star:, if all is ok with the fit and after testing them on my car for a few days i will be able to offer the complete set :happy2:
but like i said anyone who has the inner mod will be able to upgrade easily
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having a few problems with the outers, main one being keeping the wiring tidy, ive got another 2 sets of inners ready to go, just looms but can put them in to the light units if needed :happy2:
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hi phil how many leds are you putting in outers and will the brake be a full circle or just half as it is now and are the amber in the same place middle cheers
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hi phil how many leds are you putting in outers and will the brake be a full circle or just half as it is now and are the amber in the same place middle cheers
Its still in the prototype stags, at the moment im going with 8, the complete outer ring will be brake lights aswel as side lights instead of just the half, the indicators are in the same place and atm they give a very good strong flash, so if the brakes are lite up and the indicator is on you can actully see the indicator is flashing, the outer is taking alot of time to do, mainly because its the first one and im trying to keep it looking tidy and OEM behind the light unit, im on call today, fingers crossed its dead so i can send the kids out and have some peace to get on with it :signLOL:
Thank you for your links to youtube, yes that is sort of what im aiming to
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so will you be putting 8 in inners to match outer phil
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so will you be putting 8 in inners to match outer phil
At this moment in time no and the reason being the outers on side lights do not have a 12 v feed, when the brake is pressed the side light then powers to 12v which make it brighter, this is something that ive been thinking about and as yet im not 100% sure how im gonna get round it, i did think about the wiring you sent in the email which would keep the inners the same brightness and then the outers light brighter with brakes pressed, works dead, kids are just going out so will do some more in a bit :happy2:
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wont need one for inners just take feed from outers then will work the same as they do same as oem ones as in diagram and video with them been leds, if you put black from inners in num 4 pin and red in num 2 pin you will get tail and brake the same on inners and outers
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8 pages an no pictures of any fitted :laugh:
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Pics as requested! Kit was easy to install and well made! I might put something over the ends of the leds so the dots not so bright but overall pleased :)
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Are they more ring like in the flesh?
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the inner lights could do with brighter bulbs to match the outers
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Pics as requested! Kit was easy to install and well made! I might put something over the ends of the leds so the dots not so bright but overall pleased :)
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Ideal glad you found them easy to fit, i did think about maybe a little black paint on the tip of the LED, that way i think the spot wouldnt be there and it will make the ring appear brighter, as the spot wouldnt be as bright, if that makes sence?
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They just don't match enough for my liking but still look good. I'll wait for the full led kit. :popcornsoda:
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Think i am goin to carry on with my filment bulb inners as the seem to blend in better.
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I'm also going for the w5w/t10 fillament bulb inners.
I bought 4 small t10 sockets. I'm going to solder the wiring onto the sockets (onto the little contact-lips you see on the sockets).
They are 'twist-and-lock' sockets, so I only have to drill 12mm holes and make two notches in each hole with a dremel.
Tried a experimental setup (drilled a 12mm hole in a plastic plate and made two notches in the hole) and the twist and lock mechanism works perfect!
The sockets are only 8mm's high, so guess they will fit in the small space behing the inner tail lights (if not, I can easily shave off a little of the plastic holder/gripe)
Sockets:
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I've removed the rear lid trim, but how to route the wiring from the inner tail lights to the license plate lights? (So I can connect them)
Is there a how-to for the wiring?
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Ok wiring is done, used black linen tape and al looks o.e.m.
BUT-> How did you (the persons who use incandescent bulbs) fit the t10 bulbs into the housings?
Mine are way to deep, so they hit the inner 'reflector' (so risk of melting/etc.)
I'm stuck....
Look at my pics:
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How did you guys do this?
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Can somebody make a set and sell them to me please :P
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Got my set to fit this week, does anyone have install pics? Or wiring pics?
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no more activity on this? :sad:
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no more activity on this? :sad:
I made a DIY with my halogen bulbs.
Looks sooooo much better than led's!
It's in Dutch, but 'readable' with google translate:
http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=nl&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.golfgtiforum.nl%2Fforum%2Fviewtopic.php%3Ff%3D36%26t%3D1994
I will make a good English DIY soon for you guys!
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That looks spot on. I want to do that, how easy was it?
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That looks spot on. I want to do that, how easy was it?
Have you seen the Dutch-English translated link?
I did it step by step. But if I would do it again, I guess I could do it in 6 hours?!...
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Excellent guide Tim, how much would you charge if I sent my inners to you then you return them completed?
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Excellent guide Tim, how much would you charge if I sent my inners to you then you return them completed?
I live in The Netherlands... (and I don't have spare parts like extra t10 sockets)
Most work wasn't modding the inners, but testing and the wiring.
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Is the Dutch-English google translation 'readable'??? Or do you guys want a good English DIY manual?
Are all photo's visible?
What look do you guys prefer? LEDs or incandescent bulbs?
Tim
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hi think the incandescent look best ,can read OK and pictures fine did you paint the tips of bulb yourself thanks
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hi think the incandescent look best ,can read OK and pictures fine did you paint the tips of bulb yourself thanks
Yes I did. I used heat resistand black paint (up to 650 degrees Celsius).
I did this so you don't see the 'spots'/points where the lights come from. This gives a better evenly light output.
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it would be hard to do this to the r32 lights as they are a solid unit and you can not get that extra 5mm does not have lugs to push down
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Excelent write up going to get back on this moda gain soon, Got most of the ground work done so should be pretty easy now.
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Would love to do this but im crap at practical stuff :sad1:
Could you give us a list of where you got the components from? Cheers :drinking:
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it would be hard to do this to the r32 lights as they are a solid unit and you can not get that extra 5mm does not have lugs to push down
Just found out theis is the same on both of my standard gti units. Wasted more money on this mod, Might just give up now :sad1:
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it would be hard to do this to the r32 lights as they are a solid unit and you can not get that extra 5mm does not have lugs to push down
Just found out theis is the same on both of my standard gti units. Wasted more money on this mod, Might just give up now :sad1:
I have a spare set standard GTI lights and found out that they are also solid/no lugs.
This is due to the brand: AL, mode in Poland.
My other lights (with lugs) are from another brand (I thought Valeo).
But: also in the models without the lugs I managed to push the inners around 5mm extra inwards. You see 18 plastic 'clips' around the circle, on the back. Push al 18 inwards with a flat screwdriver!
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Ah brilliant, i will have a go, Just looked at the last night and saw the filter was all one piece.
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the only thing is now the inside is all loose and i dont think its made any diff
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Does sound like a option either then?
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it would be hard to do this to the r32 lights as they are a solid unit and you can not get that extra 5mm does not have lugs to push down
Just found out theis is the same on both of my standard gti units. Wasted more money on this mod, Might just give up now :sad1:
I have a spare set standard GTI lights and found out that they are also solid/no lugs.
This is due to the brand: AL, mode in Poland.
My other lights (with lugs) are from another brand (I thought Valeo).
But: also in the models without the lugs I managed to push the inners around 5mm extra inwards. You see 18 plastic 'clips' around the circle, on the back. Push al 18 inwards with a flat screwdriver!
hi can you please tell me where you got your holders from or send a link please thanks martin
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I'm glad I found this thread as I've been thinking of doing this for a while. I reckon I could come up with my own solution for mounting the bulbs, but how have people wired them in? I read about connecting into the number plate lights but as they are in the bumper how have you routed the cables?
Info or pics would be great! :D
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I'm glad I found this thread as I've been thinking of doing this for a while. I reckon I could come up with my own solution for mounting the bulbs, but how have people wired them in? I read about connecting into the number plate lights but as they are in the bumper how have you routed the cables?
Info or pics would be great! :D
Didn't see my Dutch how to? (readable with google translate)
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I had a look into this a few months ago.
I went for 8 LED's mounted in the fog and reverse light appertures that shine through holes into the outer rings. The back of the LED's are covered with black hot glue so they don't light up the inner sections. The fog and reverse lights work as they should.
The PCB mount 4 pin LED's give a better flood of light than the 2 pin ones.
Because they are LED's i wired them into the number-plate lights without the current sense error.
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Didn't see my Dutch how to? (readable with google translate)
I did and it's a very good write up! :D. One question, where did you get the adapter cables that are plugged into your number plate lights? Also is it one adapter per number plate light or just one in total?
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Didn't see my Dutch how to? (readable with google translate)
I did and it's a very good write up! :D. One question, where did you get the adapter cables that are plugged into your number plate lights? Also is it one adapter per number plate light or just one in total?
Those 'adapters' came with the led license plate modules I bought. But I was never happy with those bulbs (verrrry bright), so I decided to place the original license plate holders again and put festoon led bulbs in them.
I made a new EASY solution for the connection. Look at the pictures on my second page:
http://translate.google.nl/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A//www.golfgtiforum.nl/forum/viewtopic.php%3Ff%3D36%26t%3D1994%26start%3D20
(google translated from Dutch to English)
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And first page again (the original how to):
http://translate.google.nl/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A//www.golfgtiforum.nl/forum/viewtopic.php%3Ff%3D36%26t%3D1994
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Ah I see, you've spliced into the number plate bulb holder, good idea!
Will give this ago once all the bits and pieces I've ordered have arrived! :D
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Ah I see, you've spliced into the number plate bulb holder, good idea!
Will give this ago once all the bits and pieces I've ordered have arrived! :D
Yes! I drilled a small hole have soldered it to the 12v/+ inside the bulb holder. I used a multimeter to discover what the + and - where.
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anymore happen with this thread??
are you guys finding led or normal bulbs to work best???
defo on my to do list over the winter
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anyone in the UK able to take on this task for me. :popcornsoda:
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on my to do list for sure
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Massive bump. Anyone work out how to do this to r32 / ed30 lights?
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Decent idea looks better than normal lights does resistors need to be wired in if on canbus ?
Not Everyone Will Agree ?
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Managed it with some effort. R32 lights too...
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fq739%2FBuryFan12%2F2549a5decf610e326cdd59e471479f0c_zps567cd46c.jpg&hash=1d174c09d227a677864dfd9afaebefcfbb067585)
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How did you do it. Can you do a write up with pics or email me if its top secret. Please
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me too
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Top secret, sorry guys! :booty:
Nah, give me a few days and i should be able to rustle something up. I dont have many pictures though!
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Nice work joe. Really need to do this mod myself too.
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Nice work joe. Really need to do this mod myself too.
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Cheers!
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Looks really good fella. Bet your chuffed as nuts.
Still wouldn't atempt this myself though. :grin:
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They dont look too great in the day time but much better when its darker. Not got any proper pics in the dark yet. The above were taken just after sunset
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look good mate have you used leds or decent cheers
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Great work Joe, look forward to hearing what you did to get them wired in as thats where i left mine.
Got both units with extra bulbs still sitting in my garage.
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Which units? Normal or ed30?
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I have got a set of standard cherry GTI ones.
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hi jaywoo-gti have you used leds or decent on inners cheers
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Mine are normal bulbs with the tips painted black
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hi joe i have tried this and i can not get them to fit not enough room dont know where i am going wrong mate what holders have you used
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Standard or ed30 lights? To make this fit with ed30 lights iv had to drill a hole into the inner lining of the boot metal..... Iv then put underbody sealant on to protect it.... Its not for the faint hearted!!
Iv also not used bulb holders, just the bulb and soldered the wire to it.
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right so have you fixed the bulbs to lights with silicone think ive seen this done somewhere
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Yep, sikaflex
Im just doing a basic wiring diagram now
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have you had to switch off cold diagnostics for bulb error cheers
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Right, heres the basic wiring diagram. Im not a professional by the way, as you will probably tell!
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Each oem boot light needs 2 bulbs. Each bulb has a positive and a negative, therefore you have 4 wires that need turning into 2 wires for ease.
Now imagine your boot is open above you. I put one bulb on either side of the oem light. One far bulb and one closer bulb. To connect the 2 wires of negative, think of the main wire going to the closer bulb with another single wire between main wire and the bulb like so:
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To ground these lights iv used a handy little ground point on the boot lid itself, if you take all the plastics off, on the drivers side of the boot lid you will see a ground point. I just crimped a circular connector onto the end. Does that make sense so far?!
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have you had to switch off cold diagnostics for bulb error cheers
Nope but im not sure if its already off for any other mod if done!
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That seems to make sense to me.
quick question you said about drilling the boot, i have edition 30 lights, could i get away without doing this if i fit LED's? Or is there no room at all? Guess my best bet will be to take one out and ill see for myself but its dark currently and dont have car with me :smiley:
Also what guage wire do you use?
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I dont know about leds of im honest! There is literally no room though, even with no bulb holder, the bulb wouldnt fit
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Now onto the positive side. I did the same as the negative but this time i joined both the left and right wiring into one so only one wire had to go down into the car. I extended the main wire from the left light over to the right and soldered them together there.
To actually power the lights, lots of people have used the number plate lights. If you remove the carpet on the drivers side boot, you should see a big rubber grommet with a wire passing through. That should be your number plate loom. My wires were brown and brown / white. I used a multi-metre to work out which one was giving power, stripped it and soldered my own wire onto it.
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so, wired the centre rings to the aux backup light in the hatch, enabled them as rear parking lights and set intensity to match. et voila! you'd never know, looks OEM and no wires running anywhere other than inside the tailgate
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also did some wiring on the cluster boards themselves to make the normal half circle brake lights, full circle.
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Do you get error on dash with the full ring brake lights? I read somewhere only on early golfs it doesnt come up.
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this gets better just wish there was someone to do mine as useless at owt like this
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Do you get error on dash with the full ring brake lights? I read somewhere only on early golfs it doesnt come up.
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Im going to have a go at this when i get chance so il report back
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Due to lack of space between the inner boot and the light, the bulb holders i had didnt fit so we soldered directly to the bulbs. I then cut the ends of the bulb holders, glued these to the OEM light to give the bulb some support. I had to cut a hole directly below the bulb into the boot metal and sealed it up with sealant to protect it. We drilled the OEM lights upside down and actually we did it by hand with just the drill bit. Drilled one small hole for a guide then just did it by hand
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hi joe did you use t10 bulbs cheers
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Yep, something like this
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2x-501-T10-W5W-5w-OSRAM-Original-Bulbs-12v-2825-/390525701632?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item5aed254e00
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hi so did you glue or silicone the bulb direct to the unit if so have you had any melting issues or burning cheers
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Siliconed them in place. However iv decided they look pap, not bright enough but i have another plan to sort them. Il report back soon
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ok look forward to it must do mine at some point just trying to find the best solution before i hack away at them pictures would be great on this project
thanks martin
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Il get pics this time! :happy2:
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thanks mate
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hi joe have you had a go at the other plan yet to make these look better mate :happy2:
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Not yet. Been a bit lazy and been building up a bmx
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tryed everything all look ok close up until you stand right back and all you see is 2 dots nothing like the outers
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I painted the tips on mine to diffuse the light, still not as bright. I considered using 4 bulbs for a while but now im going to have a go at splitting them
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hi did the tips black but crap from a distance what are you going to do when split
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Angel eyes in there i thought
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that could be the solution to it just could be expensive to find the right one with trial and error
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Just need to find the correct diametre one
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there is loads that fit i think the problem will be getting the right light % to match the outer ones
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True.
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True.
I'm back again
My last post was in summer 2012 in this topic where I placed my (Dutch) how-to.
I did it with t10 incandescent bulbs. The only way to match with o.e.m. outers. I used w5w t10 bulb holders from a pinball machine.
How to:
http://translate.google.nl/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A//www.golfgtiforum.nl/forum/viewtopic.php%3Ff%3D36%26t%3D1994
The match is 100%, compared to the outer rings.
But: last month I bought r32 tails and I want to make them the same as my gti one's.
I found out that clearance is less with the r32 tails, compared to the gti tails. This is because with my gti tails I could push the internal reflectors about 5mm further inside. This is not possible with the r32 tails (vw used several brands like valeo, hella, automotive lightning etc. they all look the same on the outside but small internal differences)
How far will the w5w bulb go in if you drill a 12mm hole JOEDARKA?
And why is it that you say your incndescent bulbs aren't as bright/matching your outer lights? Mine are t10 5 Watt bulbs. I know they also exist in 3 Watt. We both painted the tops of the bulbs black, so that is also the same. Mine are really good looking, you can't really see where the light is coming from, same as outers and the brightness matches. Also good looking from a distance.
Maybe because r32 tails are tinted/darker? But then again, also the outers are darker.
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I found that using bulb holders and r32 lights, fouled onto the metal of the boot so wouldnt fit. Its really obvious where the bulbs are, looks good close up but not bright enough from distance!
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I found that using bulb holders and r32 lights, fouled onto the metal of the boot so wouldnt fit. Its really obvious where the bulbs are, looks good close up but not bright enough from distance!
Maybe u used the 3Watt w5w bulbs instead of the 5 Watts?
Hmmzz now I don't know if I should keep my gti tails with good looking/matching inner rings (which I love) and sell my new r32 tail lights again, or place them without the inner ring mod (because I don't want to cut some steel from the boot to make clearance).
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used 5w bulbs there is less reflection from the inners than the outers so from a distance not as bright also can not use holders with bulbs not enough room on inside the bulb its the lens you have to silicone the bulb in the hole
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used 5w bulbs there is less reflection from the inners than the outers so from a distance not as bright also can not use holders with bulbs not enough room on inside the bulb its the lens you have to silicone the bulb in the hole
Exactly what i did
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hi joe tried angel eyes not bright enough but the smd rings are better but its the same problem close up look great but from a distance not as bright but i would say better than t10 bulbs down to the reflection not as good as outers with been deeper and more reflection i put the ring facing inwards so they reflect off the silver inner other wise all you see is a ring of dots from leds
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Made a movie today so you can see how they match the outer lights:
http://youtu.be/ez6oTp8DXmk (http://youtu.be/ez6oTp8DXmk)
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Would thickness of the wire change anything?
hi joe tried angel eyes not bright enough but the smd rings are better but its the same problem close up look great but from a distance not as bright but i would say better than t10 bulbs down to the reflection not as good as outers with been deeper and more reflection i put the ring facing inwards so they reflect off the silver inner other wise all you see is a ring of dots from leds
Are the lights easy to split? Which angel eyes did you use? Yeah im going to put them in backwards to they reflect better too.
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Get some pics too!
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hi joe tried angel eyes not bright enough but the smd rings are better but its the same problem close up look great but from a distance not as bright but i would say better than t10 bulbs down to the reflection not as good as outers with been deeper and more reflection i put the ring facing inwards so they reflect off the silver inner other wise all you see is a ring of dots from leds
Better than t10 bulbs?! Seen my movie?
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hi joe tried angel eyes not bright enough but the smd rings are better but its the same problem close up look great but from a distance not as bright but i would say better than t10 bulbs down to the reflection not as good as outers with been deeper and more reflection i put the ring facing inwards so they reflect off the silver inner other wise all you see is a ring of dots from leds
Better than t10 bulbs?! Seen my movie?
Any idea what gauge wire you used? I used something quite thick
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hi joe tried angel eyes not bright enough but the smd rings are better but its the same problem close up look great but from a distance not as bright but i would say better than t10 bulbs down to the reflection not as good as outers with been deeper and more reflection i put the ring facing inwards so they reflect off the silver inner other wise all you see is a ring of dots from leds
Better than t10 bulbs?! Seen my movie?
Any idea what gauge wire you used? I used something quite thick
Measured the wire I used. Outside (including shielding) is 2.35mm (0.092519685 inches) thick.
Sorry don't know how many awg that is.
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Does wire thickness effect brightness?
http://www.golfmkv.com/forums/showthread.php?t=149564
This might be an option for wiring. They have tapped into the plug that goes into the main outer light
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hi used these red ones so dont get that white ring round reverse lens or fog
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/221123431618?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649
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And they fit in?
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yes anything from 75mm inner edge to 110 outer edge
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How did you split and re-seal them?
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hi used these red ones so dont get that white ring round reverse lens or fog
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/221123431618?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649
White ring? What do you mean?
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same as this
http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,16607.0.html
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where the red lens joins the chrome round bit in middle there is a little gap that the light shines out of if not red
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Ah got you now! I wonder if putting 2 led rings in would make it brighter! :signLOL:
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one is bright enough its just the same old thing the further away you go the dimmer it becomes just will not hold the light due to the reflection situation the ones tim as done are diff to ours so i asume thats why hes are holding light
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I wonder if its possible to up the power to them using VCDS....
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you can get them brighter i tryed this out with a dimmer switch to look the same from a distance but then when close up they are too bright compared to the outers its like having brake light on all time you just carnt win with it because the outers give off more reflection than inners as inners are not made for it so its a case of doing the best we can and then putting up with it :signLOL:
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Central electronics - 9
Adaptation - 10
In there you can supposedly change brightness of brakes, tail-lights and fogs. It might need a 10% increase or something
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one is bright enough its just the same old thing the further away you go the dimmer it becomes just will not hold the light due to the reflection situation the ones tim as done are diff to ours so i asume thats why hes are holding light
What is different on mine compared to Joedarka's? We both used incandescent t10 5watt bulbs?
I've connected them to the number plate lights. Because that is 12v. If you connect them to the outer lights it's 6v untill you brake, then it becomes 12v (only the outer half of that circles).
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No idea what the difference is as we used the same stuff! How much did you pain onto the tips of the bulb?
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you have more room in yours so the inners are diff
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Are "normal" gti lights also more reflective?
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outers yes its with them been deeper inside and more reflecters