MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: Tortaruga on December 05, 2012, 05:27:33 pm
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Just spoken with a VW mechanic. He's only seen one instance of a failed cam follower, on a car that had been treated like dirt - never been serviced and had had a head rebuild without changing out the old follower.
He told me not to always believe the girls and boys on these seedy internet chatrooms. This was after I offered him the job of changing mine as a precaution, so a main dealer turned away some easy cash... :laugh:
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Hehe great!!!
There u have , cam follower from Robiform's car ( he is member up here )
car had 130.000 km done:
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fs6.mojalbum.com%2F11841096_17575032_19826164%2Fvw-golf-5-gti-r%2F19826164.jpg&hash=1127945413b8dd9adfcce1ac9c9e4386e312b528)
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fs6.mojalbum.com%2F11841096_17575032_19826162%2Fvw-golf-5-gti-r%2F19826162.jpg&hash=6681f80b2dd649e42ba694c311445aded8b1ff46)
so , something has to be , on this ... :confused:
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I had mine changed as a preventative measure and wasn't that bad. Mines an 05 car and probably had about 68k on the clock when done.
Also dealers don't like doing anything for preventative reasons or if it's not in the service schedule. I've heard them say the same about DV's, fuel filters etc
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Several on here have failed.
Worth doing with a 5 or 10k service imo for the cost of it
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It's one of those things that is so cheap to change that people do it as preventative measure! Better to do it than to be sorry I guess.
Paul
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It's one of those things that is so cheap to change that people do it as preventative measure! Better to do it than to be sorry I guess.
Paul
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:congrats: :congrats:
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I have seen a guide somewhere on how to change it?
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It's one of those things that is so cheap to change that people do it as preventative measure! Better to do it than to be sorry I guess.
Paul
Spot on.
Treat it as a serviceable item IMO, prevention all day long for me. :happy2:
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what would you prefer? £60 odd for a new cam follower or however much it costs for a new engine?
failure is more common in the US where they add grit to the oil by the sounds of things, but mine was worn when it was replaced at less than 60k miles
iirc VW even revised it, so there has to be something to it
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I've never seen any fail although I've seen some fairly worn by 25k
A VW mechanic probably won't see any failures as most of the cars they work on are under 3 years old and in warranty so low mileage.
Also very few modded cars go to dealers.
You usually find most independents have much more knowledge and understanding than dealers on what's what as they see cars from the real world and much more of them
I think a standard car I'd change every 20k
A car running updated fuel pump etc change 10k
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It's one of those things that is so cheap to change that people do it as preventative measure! Better to do it than to be sorry I guess.
Paul
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:congrats: :congrats:
x3! It can cause all sorts of problems if it does fail, and it's only 25 quid.
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That's dealers for you. If they have never seen an issue then it must not happen. Its us specialists that see all the failures or soon to be failures as we inspect the followers at service.
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That's dealers for you. If they have never seen an issue then it must not happen. Its us specialists that see all the failures or soon to be failures as we inspect the followers at service.
Lord AKS has spoken. :notworthy:
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This pic has just been posted by richwig:
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tyrolsport.com%2Fimages%2Fproducts%2Ftsvw20tcam.jpg&hash=dc852ebabe41f48e26822e4e4aaf7babfbe394bf)
^ Cam follower porn for perverts?
Mine was 'Safe' and didn't need changing after 100,000 miles but JKM advised we may as well change it anyway while my APR HPFP was being installed. Apparently with an APR pump the cam follower might need checking more often.
Whereas it's true that not everyone on a car forum knows what they're talking about (except me of course), it's also true that some VW dealer staff don't have a clue. If he has only seen one instance of a failure you have to ask how many tuned cars has he serviced? And especially with an aftermarket pump.
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A VW mechanic probably won't see any failures as most of the cars they work on are under 3 years old and in warranty so low mileage.
+1. The mechanic will see only a limited cross-section of the population and hence have a skewed impression. What you need is someone who deals with cars from brand-new to 10yrs old to get a fairer idea. Most things tend to fail outside of the warranty period.
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not everyone on a car forum knows what they're talking about (except me of course)
Pure gold! :signLOL: :notworthy:
Do you mind if I put that quote under my sig?
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not everyone on a car forum knows what they're talking about (except me of course)
Pure gold! :signLOL: :notworthy:
Do you mind if I put that quote under my sig?
....Be my guest (with or without attributing it to myself, RedRobin).
But I suggest you reduce the size of your dildo-men sig before the Mods remove it for being oversize. TC posted a thread about sig image sizes and their size restrictions. :happy2:
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Will a worn follower make any noise?
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This pic has just been posted by richwig:
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tyrolsport.com%2Fimages%2Fproducts%2Ftsvw20tcam.jpg&hash=dc852ebabe41f48e26822e4e4aaf7babfbe394bf)
^ Cam follower porn for perverts?
Mine was 'Safe' and didn't need changing after 100,000 miles but JKM advised we may as well change it anyway while my APR HPFP was being installed. Apparently with an APR pump the cam follower might need checking more often.
Whereas it's true that not everyone on a car forum knows what they're talking about (except me of course), it's also true that some VW dealer staff don't have a clue. If he has only seen one instance of a failure you have to ask how many tuned cars has he serviced? And especially with an aftermarket pump.
When I changed mine in the summer it looked exactly like no.3 :surprised:! That was 100k and full vwsh, drives fine now but does go into limp mode every once in a while if you really go for it in a high gear. But is fine in lower gears. I didn't feel any wear on the cam when I changed the follower though.
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There has been a few failures on here so i don't believe it's nothing be bother with :surprised:
It's mainly the yanks that have them fail, which is generally because they have poor oil and the petrol is only something like 93RON so the pump is working hard all the time to make decent power :happy2:
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Stage 3 only happens if you have an early A camshaft. Only goes domed shaped if the cam is f*cked. So I would say your cam is fooked and the follower will already be dead again. You need a B cam and a new follower. Get it checked asap. Is your gti an early one?
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I changed mine at 99tkm's. It was barely worn, stage 1 from the pictures.. I changed the pump also and there must have been something cooking there, because the engine is now a lot more quite.
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Mine at 50k, changed a while ago after remap (Owner from 36k onwards):
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi46.tinypic.com%2F2a5aag8.jpg&hash=33aaa0b5cae5d73ef9f58fd32747cff6a73969c3)
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Mine at 50k, changed a while ago after remap (Owner from 36k onwards):
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi46.tinypic.com%2F2a5aag8.jpg&hash=33aaa0b5cae5d73ef9f58fd32747cff6a73969c3)
I've just changed mine after doing 25k of Stage 2+ running and it looked a little less worn than that. Thought it best as a preventative measure! Better safe than sorry for the cost!
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Just changed my follower. I've had the APR pump on for the last 19k but there's still lots of life left in the follower.
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fgg24%2Fmartziniuk%2F569FC12A-9A7D-4175-B7A6-72519E87C079-2723-000003BC6321BF1C.jpg&hash=5d7bb3f97a950534e3f2dd33aad5d560f7883764)
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What's the part and fitting cost for this at a dealer and decent indy respectively?
I worry about de-pressuring the fuel system enough and doing this myself...
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Probably half an hour at an Indy, main dealer will tell you it doesn't need changing :smiley: where you based?
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Probably half an hour at an Indy, main dealer will tell you it doesn't need changing :smiley: where you based?
What gaz says. I charge 30 mins plus the follower is around 28 quid iirc.
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I would ask the mechanic for a letter stating that there are no cam follower issues and if it does fail then he will fix the engine for free seeing that they refused to change it for you.
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^^^ They didn't refuse to change it...it was a 'there's no point' response. I didn't insist and if I had I'm sure they would do it. In fact I'm booked in for a diagnostic check on Friday so I'll ask for a quote to have it replaced. I might mention some of the comments from this thread...!
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your dildo-men
They're Moai statues you Philistine!
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http://changegears.wordpress.com/2012/01/13/camshaft-and-cam-follower-warranty-extension/
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your dildo-men
They're Moai statues you Philistine!
You could have sneaked your Golf up next to them for the photo!
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http://changegears.wordpress.com/2012/01/13/camshaft-and-cam-follower-warranty-extension/
UK or USA?
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Tortaruga change or dont change its your call...but i know what id do and have done,piece of mind for so little pennies :P
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http://changegears.wordpress.com/2012/01/13/camshaft-and-cam-follower-warranty-extension/
UK or USA?
tbh, not sure - I threw it in there for some thoughts on it.
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I have seen 6 outright failures this year. Neil M (member on here) being 2 of those.
For the peace of mind it is a no brainer.
KPM racing who run 8 cars in the VW Cup change after every meeting now, as cam follower failure wrote several engines off this season.
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Pretty sure Aaron Mason lost an engine to a cam follower :sad1:
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Yes Mike he did. As did Linesy.
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I have seen 6 outright failures this year. Neil M (member on here) being 2 of those.
For the peace of mind it is a no brainer.
KPM racing who run 8 cars in the VW Cup change after every meeting now, as cam follower failure wrote several engines off this season.
I think one of the issues was that some of the Racingline/KPM cars were/are using KMD fuel pump internals. BDM had over 10 failures from the KMD internals seizing. Can do inlet cams upside down using my feet now!
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As my car is in for the repairs to the front grill tomorrow I am having the cam follower replaced at the same time.
I am interested to see its condition after 83k and almost 7 years! (assuming it hasnt been changed, the serv history suggests it hasnt)
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^^^ Post up a photo please.
I'm going to order a follower from the dealer and change it myself.
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^^^ Post up a photo please.
I'm going to order a follower from the dealer and change it myself.
Is it an easy job to do? My car will be hitting 80k soon so better get this done as a precaution.
Don't suppose you or somebody could do a how to guide for us all???!!
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There is a guide in here somewhere.. Iirc how easy it is depends on the age of the car, the later cars had a revision of the pipe work iirc making them easier to change
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^^^ Post up a photo please.
I'm going to order a follower from the dealer and change it myself.
Is it an easy job to do? My car will be hitting 80k soon so better get this done as a precaution.
Don't suppose you or somebody could do a how to guide for us all???!!
http://myfastgti.com/volkswagen/threads/12734-DIY-HPFP-Removal-and-Cam-Follower-Replacement
The only thing that worries me is depressuring the system fully, don't fancy fuel in ma face... or a monumental fuel leak...
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It's easier on newer cars. The 'banjo' bolt is tricky on older ones. There's a very long thread somewhere, detailing an absolute nightmare with this. I think he had to buy at least one new fuel pump.
Also, having 98 RON injected directly into your bloodstream results in death, I think.
Maybe I won't do it myself... :scared:
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It's easier on newer cars. The 'banjo' bolt is tricky on older ones. There's a very long thread somewhere, detailing an absolute nightmare with this. I think he had to buy at least one new fuel pump.
Also, having 98 RON injected directly into your bloodstream results in death, I think.
Maybe I won't do it myself... :scared:
Is 99 V-Power ok? Nah, think I'll let the garage do it too :confused:
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Really nothing to panic about when doing these. Just have some rags handy to soak up the fuel. Cover the pressure release nipple when prssing it then the fuel goes directly into the rag.
Older banjo fitting takes me around 5 mins longer than the rubber fitting. Just have some nifty tools to get it done fast.
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^^^ Post up a photo please.
I'm going to order a follower from the dealer and change it myself.
Is it an easy job to do? My car will be hitting 80k soon so better get this done as a precaution.
Don't suppose you or somebody could do a how to guide for us all???!!
http://myfastgti.com/volkswagen/threads/12734-DIY-HPFP-Removal-and-Cam-Follower-Replacement
The only thing that worries me is depressuring the system fully, don't fancy fuel in ma face... or a monumental fuel leak...
Providing you make use of the bleed nipple then this will not be a worry :happy2: But wearing eye protection would help for this part of the job.
That Banjo Bolt is something else...there have been a couple of DIY's that have been documented going wrong, mainly the compression fittings leaking afterwards.
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^^^ Cool. Will definitely give it a go myself.
I think Roh Echt will be posting a video guide soon anyway.
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My first Cam Follower failed with Auto Tech pump, Stage 2+, on track at Snetterton, my own fault as it was never changed and done quite a few track days :ashamed:
Unfortunately a year and a few track days later the second one failed, this time with an APR Pump :confused:
Both times needed engine strip down (by KPM Racing) they change their race cars cam followers after every race weekend, for the sake of £25 and an hours work I'll be changing mine after every track day next year :happy2:
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fneilmelvin%2FBuild%2F7-4.jpg&hash=aea86980c1ac5ec88e2bdc6c2b13fc20dea3da0d)
p.s. don't open the car door with the pump off, it will prime it.
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Another link worth read to help anyone out with this job
http://www.golfmkv.com/forums/showthread.php?t=102858
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I've done 4 followers and two were worn on the same car 15k apart ( 06 GTI ) but the two ed 30s I've done we're fine !
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Jabbasport did mine before the remap in May, no signs of wear at all, but for the sake of £50 for preventative measure I was happy to do it.
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As my car is in for the repairs to the front grill tomorrow I am having the cam follower replaced at the same time.
I am interested to see its condition after 83k and almost 7 years! (assuming it hasnt been changed, the serv history suggests it hasnt)
as per my previous post..... here is a pic of my cam follower, replaced today!
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fgg630%2Fgreid1982%2FCamFollower_zpsf067e578.jpg&hash=ac4501cb257cab9a9eef4bdb95900ed40b392e09)
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Definatly needed replacing but doesnt look to bad for 83k,
I will be doing mine tomorrow, same age and milage.
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Another stupid question, do dervs have this problem with them wearing out aswell? :ashamed:
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IIRC diesels have a very different fuelling system and don't have the same sort of high pressure fuel pump like the TFSI's.
I think the mk4 150bhp diesel had a similar problem though :confused: - I've not heard of anything like this failing on mk5 diesels so don't worry :happy2:
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^^^ Cheers
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Looks pretty simple to do yourself! Does anybody have a part number for this part??
Thanks
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Stage 3 only happens if you have an early A camshaft. Only goes domed shaped if the cam is f*cked. So I would say your cam is fooked and the follower will already be dead again. You need a B cam and a new follower. Get it checked asap. Is your gti an early one?
It's a 55 plate, with 105k on it drive fine
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fv11%2Fpelsey197%2Ff7c6b558.jpg&hash=b70f674224f24094a556a7f2a9a2aee91b361155)
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Stage 3 only happens if you have an early A camshaft. Only goes domed shaped if the cam is f*cked. So I would say your cam is fooked and the follower will already be dead again. You need a B cam and a new follower. Get it checked asap. Is your gti an early one?
It's a 55 plate, with 105k on it drive fine
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fv11%2Fpelsey197%2Ff7c6b558.jpg&hash=b70f674224f24094a556a7f2a9a2aee91b361155)
Keep an eye on it. May drive fine for now but it looks like you have the early cam.
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What sort of costs would I be looking at to get this sorted? When i bought the car the price included a warranty which covered the car as long as we owned it??
Cheers
Paul
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It's around 250 for the cam and around 4 hours labour plus a few gaskets. Looking a max of 600 all done with an oil and filter change.
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Does anybody have a part number for this part??
06D 109 309 C
I just ordered one from the dealer. Markedly cheaper than those on weebay.
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Might be a good idea if everyone sends there worn cam followers to VW UK, they might realise that there is a problem with them if they start getting damaged ones through.
Seems mental that such a small piece of metal can cause so much damage to an engine
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This thread has made me paranoid enough to get mine replaced. In for a service before Xmas so will get it done then.
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This thread has made me paranoid enough to get mine replaced. In for a service before Xmas so will get it done then.
Me too!!
I've just asked my local dealer how much this would be... waits with baited breath.
Seems the decent Indys on here are doing them for ~£60
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This thread has made me paranoid enough to get mine replaced. In for a service before Xmas so will get it done then.
Me too!!
I've just asked my local dealer how much this would be... waits with baited breath.
Seems the decent Indys on here are doing them for ~£60
where you based?
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Should be around a half hour's labour at max...
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Does anybody have a part number for this part??
06D 109 309 C
I just ordered one from the dealer. Markedly cheaper than those on weebay.
I take it this part no for the cam follower is standard regardless of the year of MK5 gti you own?
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Yes it is. Same for AXX,BWA etc
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Yes it is. Same for AXX,BWA etc
Cheers, been ordered!
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Looks pretty simple to do yourself! Does anybody have a part number for this part??
Thanks
....For Mk5 GTI it's 06D 109 309 C.
Here's mine when replaced at 100,000 miles when I changed to an APR fuel pump:
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2FRedRobin_05%2FMods%2Ffile-11.jpg&hash=4ec7ca244e6945a2e9c2bc9f1ed621ee68e53620)
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mine went like this at 65k miles
2006 gti revo stg1 - Was revision A camshaft.
1100 euro repair - new HPFP, new revB camshaft, gaskets.
Crazy considering the cam follower replacement costs 40 euro with labour
pics:
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(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg689.imageshack.us%2Fimg689%2F9206%2F23012012742.jpg&hash=8128bd7c097d16ef51222859fbde950841abb9c4)
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Even if you changed the follower every 10k then the cam would have still worn and needed replacing at some point.
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My follower has signs of wear @85K so fitted a new one and as a precation i have have managed to pick a revision B cam up from my mates spare head for £25 quid,
anyone know what other parts/gaskets i will need to fit, Part numbers would be great?
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mine went like this at 65k miles
2006 gti revo stg1 - Was revision A camshaft.
....I guess that means that my 06-build GTI has a Rev A camshaft.
I'm now on 104,000 miles running Revo Stage 2 with new cam follower and APR fuel pump and if it works I won't mend it but will just regularly check the cam follower.
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Mine is also a '06 build with a revision A camshaft,
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Even if you changed the follower every 10k then the cam would have still worn and needed replacing at some point.
....At what sort of mileage, Alex? Or does it depend more on other factors such as regularity of oil changes etc?
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Also when fitting a new follower, do you need to put oil inside the tappet - where the hpfp spring goes into it? Or just oil the flat face where it meets the cam? Thanks.
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Also, I'm not sure if the Rev B cam really makes any difference to the follower issue? Surely if the Rev B cam shaft has been made harder it will cause the follower to fail quicker??
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Think the follower is pre-oiled.
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mine went like this at 65k miles
2006 gti revo stg1 - Was revision A camshaft.
....I guess that means that my 06-build GTI has a Rev A camshaft.
I'm now on 104,000 miles running Revo Stage 2 with new cam follower and APR fuel pump and if it works I won't mend it but will just regularly check the cam follower.
Does anyone know when the moved to the Rev B camshaft?
Gaz
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Think the follower is pre-oiled.
The one I have, in its little plastic container, seems to be as dry as a camel's nostril...
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Think the follower is pre-oiled.
The one I have, in its little plastic container, seems to be as dry as a camel's nostril...
That's pretty dry... lol - read it on here that it was pre-oiled. :surprised:
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Also, I'm not sure if the Rev B cam really makes any difference to the follower issue? Surely if the Rev B cam shaft has been made harder it will cause the follower to fail quicker??
Once the Revision A cam starts to go it wears unevenly and exerts more pressure on a certain point of the follower causing increased wear to that specific area, Hence why the cam follower becomes domed,
The revision B is harder which means it keep the flat surface on the cam loab and exerts the pressure of the fuel pump evenly on the follower causing less wear.
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Think the follower is pre-oiled.
The one I have, in its little plastic container, seems to be as dry as a camel's nostril...
That's pretty dry... lol - read it on here that it was pre-oiled. :surprised:
....Not as dry as a nun's nasty but probably best to get a professional like vRSAlex to tell you.
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QD, Totally unrelated to the thread, but can't figure how else to contact QD other than through this last post. Is the Clio still for sale? If it is please email me at trevorcon@aol.com. Everyone else....apologies for my intrusion!