MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: SteveP on June 29, 2009, 10:00:36 pm
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A big thanks to Neil and Ollie at THS Performance (and Neil's dad for the loan of the workshop) for getting up early on Sunday doing this while they were local to me after there day at Inters on the Saturday :happy2:
A full review will follow in the next couple of days once I get some more miles on the car but initially impression is realy good and it has made a big difference to the car :smiley:
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NICE steve :drool:
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Looks like a right industrial unit, have you been doing much logging since the install :smiley:
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thats a beast, looks like a real quality bit of kit. id be interested to hear your findings
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Looks like a right industrial unit, have you been doing much logging since the install :smiley:
Initial loggin on Sunday showed a big drop in intake temps. Typically it was running upto 30-40 degrees above ambient when pushing on for a while (so on a 20c day I was seeing temps between 60-70c) but now the highest I saw on Sunday was 20c above ambient.
The other good thing was the recovery of the temps was a lot quicker too :happy2:
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Ohhh looks great! Can't wait for the review Steve! I'm interested to hear how much of a difference to the drive it has made!
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that looks exactly linke the s3 cooler except it has a logo on the top,
cant wait to see the review :happy2:
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that looks exactly linke the s3 cooler except it has a logo on the top,
cant wait to see the review :happy2:
It will look similar to the S3 cooler as it fits the same space, but isn't just a rebranded S3 one :smiley:
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we should all data log our cars at santa pod down the strip, then we can see alot more differences in different mods. :smiley:
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we should all data log our cars at santa pod down the strip, then we can see alot more differences in different mods. :smiley:
That's a very good idea that Joe :happy2:
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Cough cough group buy cough......
Excuse me.
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Cough cough group buy cough......
Excuse me.
Yep I have already agreed a group buy with them if anyone is interested?
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Do you have a rough price for what the group buy will be?
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^^^ It will depend on numbers, but to give you an idea the list price for the cooler is £595.
I will put a Group Buy thread with exact prices later today. :happy2:
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Thanks, Steve.
Can you also find out the comparison details to an S3 cooler (core size and any other pertinent details for people who know nowt like me) and if aftermarket hoses, such as SFS ones can be used with it - I don't see why not, as the in/out should be in the stock locations?
Bon.
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Your are turning you car into an absolute animal Steve :scared: :scared: I think you are a prime suspect of the slippery slope diesease :laugh:
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^^^ Your not the first one to say that to me recently Tom :laugh: :laugh: :innocent:
There are a still couple more things to come too :evilgrin:
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Looks like a right industrial unit, have you been doing much logging since the install :smiley:
Initial loggin on Sunday showed a big drop in intake temps. Typically it was running upto 30-40 degrees above ambient when pushing on for a while (so on a 20c day I was seeing temps between 60-70c) but now the highest I saw on Sunday was 20c above ambient.
The other good thing was the recovery of the temps was a lot quicker too :happy2:
Stock cooler cant be that bad steve, 30-40 above ambient is what top mounts usually suffer from, i know the ths will run cooler than the stock ic but not double :confused:.
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See below on the RR graph for the intake temps on mine, 16.5c day and top recorded temps of 70c :surprised:
(PS - This is the OBD connected intake reading from the car not a probe, also this was on the car with stage 2 before the HPFP).
[pdf]http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/downloads/x50swp.pdf[/pdf]
I know RR's won't produce the same level of air flow as normal driving but still on the road when live logging with VAGCOM is wasn't seeing that much difference in peak intake temps. :smiley:
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70 degrees is really high, how many runs did you do on the dyno?
Maybe the car was running a little lean before you added the hpfp or the boost was a little high. Suppose they do get hotter on the dyno as the fans will blow around 40mph tops and the car is doing 100+.
Not saying i dont beleive you, just shocked that the inlet temps can get that high, 70 degrees would sap some serious hp :sad:
Think i need to sort me an intercooler out next :smiley:
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^^^ I understand Luca, I was just as surprised as you. That graph was from the first dyno run and the car had been running for maximum of 5 mins before (from cold). Settings on that day where B8-T5-F9.
The 70c on the dyno was about the highest I saw, on road was alway much near the 60c.
I never thought much about IC's until I saw on the THS on Revo's Leon and then shortly after go the VCDS cable and starting logging things myself.
I can 100% say I would recommend the IC on the stage 2 or 2+ mapped car :happy2:
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Im at stage 2 now but will be going stage 2+ as soon as carl at revo gets some pumps in :happy2:
May be better to wait until i have bought everything ie intercooler, pump and intake and then have the stage2+ done. It will save me going back and having my sps setting adjusted each time i fit an engine mod. :smiley:
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^^^ Agreed it is porbably the best way to get all of the hardware mods done first and then the software to suit :happy2:
You have a PM about pump's on it's way :wink:
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Your Superchips graph is interesting Steve.
My intake temp was showing 35 degrees with the S3 cooler.
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Just out of interest, but is there any difference to the intercooler spec for a GTI delivered to a Middle Eastern country such as Dubai? Its around 45 Celsius there at the moment - surely the stock intercooler would struggle with that?? :confused: :confused:
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^^^ It will depend on numbers, but to give you an idea the list price for the cooler is £595.
I will put a Group Buy thread with exact prices later today. :happy2:
Hmm, seeing that the S3 IC is less than half the full price of that IC, your group buy discount will have to be substantial for me to be interested.
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Anyone know where I can get the specs/size of the S3 IC please???
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Glad you're Happy steve!
This intercooler is much more efficient than the S3 item with pipework suitable to cater for up to 600BHP;
size isn't everything in this case, it's how the intercooler flows the air and how much pressure is lost.... worth every penny IMHO
so good infact once we had that one fitted to the Leon i spent my hard earned money on two intercoolers for my own cars and every product has been of a consistent build quality and was worth the money, and any of you guys that have actually spoken to me on a personal level will know how critical i can be in regards to hardware and fabrication, i won't recommend something i wouldn't purchase myself with my own money ;-)
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Anyone know where I can get the specs/size of the S3 IC please???
marginally wider than the GTI intercooler with alloy end tanks (a small dfference in core depth), a good upgrade but never going to be future proof if you're looking for the best possible performance.
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There have been a number of questions with regards to core sizes...
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Hope this helps
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Thanks Neil, I will add that to my review :happy2:
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^^^ It will depend on numbers, but to give you an idea the list price for the cooler is £595.
I will put a Group Buy thread with exact prices later today. :happy2:
Any news on the group buy ?
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Group buy now available - http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=5888.0 :happy2:
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There have been a number of questions with regards to core sizes...
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Hope this helps
Neil, good to see you taking up the MK5 Golf stuff.
I've had a THS Performance Downpipe/Elbow & Manifold for the SR20DET (fitted to my S15 Silvia) from you in the past and was impressed with these products! :happy2:
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What is the volume of the Forge Twintercooler? It would need to be around 7 litres to make it worth it.?