MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Modifications & Technical Area => Performance Modifications => Topic started by: Msportman on July 10, 2009, 05:35:04 pm
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Following on from a recent trackday at Combe and after consultation from VWR and Awesome I have yet again slid a bit further down the slope by ordering some rather tasty KW Clubsport items from Awesome.
Hopefully they will be arriving next week from Germany for fitment in the near future. I decided on these primarily for greater camber adjustment on the front end when I'm tracking the car. VWR and KW's own advice as that they offer great ride quality and adaptibilty.These should well without a diff but ideally the car will benefit from a Quaiffe at some stage.
Intilally I was going to order the KW3's as having been in a MK5 with these on it was a big step forward from stock and actually more comfortable.
I will post some pictures of the car at some stage but if one of you could or would like to post them on my behalf being a computer technofobe it would make my life easier.
I'm tempted to go the whole hog by putting a big brake set up and going stage 2 with the APR FP and exhaust but I must control myself before get myself in deep water :scared:
Her is a link to a similar kit for the R32:http://www.awesome-gti.co.uk/product.php?xProd=11623&xSec=1070
Ian
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Very Jealous! :drool: I settled for KW v3s only cause of £££ Still impressed though. Bet it handles like a dream! :driver:
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Mine are getting fitted next week. I cant wait either :party:
Did you shop around for best price. :smiley:
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I decided on these primarily for greater camber adjustment on the front end when tracking the car band also from VWR and KW's own advice as they offer great ride quality and adaptibilty.
These should well without a diff but ideally the car will benefit from a Quaiffe at some stage.
....I'm afraid that great as good coilovers are, the addition of a Quaife diff really ties the package together. A FWD car such as the Mk5 GTI particularly benefits from a diff when remapped and therefore delivering more power to the road. VW have now recognised this and include an electronic XDS diff on the Mk6 GTI.
Modding is a slippery slope!
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Mine are getting fitted next week. I cant wait either :party:
Did you shop around for best price. :smiley:
I did yes...not cheap though but quality counts.
As for the diff....yep I totally agree.....that and brakes are my next jobs with Stage 2 power.....should be finsihed then into a nice package. Should be a great allrounder.
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As for the diff....yep I totally agree.....that and brakes are my next jobs with Stage 2 power.....should be finsihed then into a nice package. Should be a great allrounder.
....Yes, I didn't want to frighten you by mentioning the brakes as well but they complete the handling package.
Loadsa money when you add it all up but loadsa of smiles on your face when you have the safe opportunity to drive hard!
:smiley: :jumpmove: :smiley: :jumpmove: :smiley: :jumpmove: :smiley:
[Particularly worth it if you plan to keep the car]
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Yeah brakes are on the agenda too....it's a huge investment all the work/parts involved but as you say if keeping the car it's worth it. Either that or it remains pretty much standard and save approx 5k in mods. Big decisions :scared:
I did think about going back to a track dedicated car again such a MK2 or Integra but I love the refinement as I'm getting older.
The Golf does the job of both a family car and is fun on track....I've got to way up how often I will track it.
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..but I love the refinement as I'm getting older.
The Golf does the job of both a family car and is fun on track....I've got to way up how often I will track it.
....The only track I've ever driven is a few laps of Nurburgring. Otherwise I get plenty of opportunity for safe but spirited driving on the road and find my suspension/diff/brakes mods totally helpful and enabling as well as very enjoyable. I would even go as far as saying that such mods add to road safety. We are each different but I think it is possible to have one car which is both a family car and fun on track. However, it does depend on how and who defines your 'family' car and also how far you go with it as modded for track.
A stripped out car with roll-cage won't work as a family car but one with a good suspension/diff/brakes package will.
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..but I love the refinement as I'm getting older.
The Golf does the job of both a family car and is fun on track....I've got to way up how often I will track it.
....The only track I've ever driven is a few laps of Nurburgring. Otherwise I get plenty of opportunity for safe but spirited driving on the road and find my suspension/diff/brakes mods totally helpful and enabling as well as very enjoyable. I would even go as far as saying that such mods add to road safety. We are each different but I think it is possible to have one car which is both a family car and fun on track. However, it does depend on how and who defines your 'family' car and also how far you go with it as modded for track.
A stripped out car with roll-cage won't work as a family car but one with a good suspension/diff/brakes package will.
That's why the MK5 is such a flexible package.....it's very refined but still has such a good chassis to do the biz on track.
Keeping it refined this time round is equally important hence why I must be careful on my selection of parts.
If and when I sell the car I can always put it back to OE spec and sell the goodies as people on here I expect would be interested. The map/diff etc would have to remain.
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If and when I sell the car I can always put it back to OE spec and sell the goodies as people on here I expect would be interested. The map/diff etc would have to remain.
....If and when, I think that the diff would actually be an advantage selling it - The Mk6 has an electronic diff and the Quaife is very low key and not noticeable except when making progress and it gently but strongly comes to your aid. But don't listen to me because I'm sold on the Quaife hook line and sinker! I'm a bad influence and will help you spend all your money!
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If and when I sell the car I can always put it back to OE spec and sell the goodies as people on here I expect would be interested. The map/diff etc would have to remain.
....If and when, I think that the diff would actually be an advantage selling it - The Mk6 has an electronic diff and the Quaife is very low key and not noticeable except when making progress and it gently but strongly comes to your aid. But don't listen to me because I'm sold on the Quaife hook line and sinker! I'm a bad influence and will help you spend all your money!
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Quaiffe diff's are superb IMO....I've run them in all of my car's in the last 12 years.
It's only a matter of time....I may plump for an exhaust pump and stage 2 when I'm at Awesome..who know's :evilgrin:
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KW's beeing fitted tomorrow...will take some pics : :wink:
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KW Clubsports fitted......feel excellent so far on a trip to St Ives :happy2:
They will need tweaking for ride height as they are a bit low for me.
Pics to follow from Awesome
Running just 1.25 degrees negative to keep the front tyres from scrubbing.
Wll do a seperate build thread.....car look very aggressive/chunky especially with the 10mm spacers.
Haven't done any performance evaluation on stock set up.....I may take it to VWR for advice on set up options.
Feels planted but may have a degree more wheel hop but will need to talk with VWR on optimum settings.
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Some pics to follow shortly. :wink:
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I'd also consider adding the WALK (Whiteline castors) and changing the bushes to the other side of the wishbones while you're at it. It's an inexpensive but good mod by all accounts.
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I'd also consider adding the WALK (Whiteline castors) and changing the bushes to the other side of the wishbones while you're at it. It's an inexpensive but good mod by all accounts.
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I also considered these on stock suspension for the extra control/position of the front geometry but after consultation with VWR due to the fact the KW Clubsports also give camber adjustment I opted for just the suspension.
I also spoke to AmD re running the WALK kit and KW3's and they advised that I should be aware that they had recently seen a KW'd Golf with WALK and one the driveshaft's had popped out causing some damage. Their diagnosis centred around it being too low and geometry issues causing this....I for one would go with VWR advice having known their knowledge of what works and 'why' it works.
The Clubsports are very very good but they will need some slight adjustments as I want VWR to advise on road and track settings so I can simply adjust to my own preferences being guided by their knowledge. I may mark the settings accordingly.
Looking forward to seeing the dynoplots :party:.
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I also spoke to AmD re running the WALK kit and KW3's and they advised that I should be aware that they had recently seen a KW'd Golf with WALK and one the driveshaft's had popped out causing some damage. Their diagnosis centred around it being too low and geometry issues causing this....I for one would go with VWR advice having known their knowledge of what works and 'why' it works.
....Crikey!! That's worrying about what AmD saw! My car has low set VWR-KW-V3's with WALK. I'm inclined to think that the setup must have been fairly extreme to pop a drive shaft, if indeed this was the main cause. I'm having difficulty seeing how the WALK would be such a big factor.
As everyone only knows too well, I very much follow VWR's advice. They fitted my WALKs and I asked their advice before doing so. They reckoned that the alteration of castor was so slight that there were no risks and they fitted the WALK at the same time as my KW's. I'm not on the lowest V3 setting though - Something VWR advise against. They did advise that I upgrade my bushes on the other side of the wishbones though - Just to better balance the normal stresses.
I do now remember VWR telling me that I wouldn't need the WALKs if I had the Clubsports - We had been considering them but I decided that I wasn't going to be wanting to keep changing my settings for track and that a 'fast road' setup would be fine for my occasional track use - It certainly felt totally capable at The Ring.
The Clubsports are clearly the ones to go for if you are a regular keen trackie wanting to adjust camber but the V3's won't put you to shame.
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RedRobin
Do you run the 10mm spacers on the rear?
I find on haed cornering a slight rub...may need a tweak or raising.
Do you know your fast road settings?
Do you alter the bump or rebound settings for comfort?
I will look at both options for road and track.
I've only got 1.25 neg on front at mo.
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Hi Ian,
I don't think I can answer many of your questions! But I'll do my best.
- I don't run any spacers (I was advised against it by AP Racing).
- The slight rubbing can most probably be solved by pushing back the inside arch linings screw fixings. I've not had any more rubbing since this was done (by VWR).
- I've no idea what my fast road settings are. Mark Farmer did them when at VWR.
- I find my setup totally comfortable - Hard but not at all harsh and wouldn't know how to alter my settings. I feel in contact with the road and that's how I like it best.
- I know that Mark tweaked a bit of extra camber on the rear to help keep it in. You can also do this to the stock suspension apparently.
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Well I had a trip all the way from Somerset to VW Racing for a consultation and set up tweek on my KW Clubsports.
What a helpful and knowledgeable bunch of guys who know their business.
Awesome who fitted my Clubsports done a great job fitting them but we just ran out of time for the fine tuning so I opted to have a chat with VWR as they are slightly closer and have first hand knowledge of this set up. They also impressed me on the phone with their advice and general enthusiasm.
Having arrived this morning with my son we were greated by Matt who was extremely keen to get down to getting my car how I wanted it.
Awesome had already set the height but after setling the drop was too much for the roads around where I live as I found out on Exmoor. The rear NS was catching on a clip under the arch. The bump compression was not right either as it was slightly harsh.
The first thing VWR told me to do was drive their demo. Off I went around the local roads around Milton Keynes....roundabout city! Good place to try out their set up which uses nearly identical set up except the spring rates are slightly different. What a compliant ride...much softer than my car which was a revelation as I was ready for a harsher ride than my car.
The diff and ARB's were certainly felt....a lovely combo. Unbeknown there is a torque limit set in 1st and 2nd which took me by surprise. I also noticed a big difference in the power delivery with it being ED30 spec engine using a full Milltek non res system and the appropriate mapping. The delivery on my car felt more progressive due to the torque limiter and earlier oomph being delivered on a smaller OE exhaust.
The VWR brakes were amazingly powerful but I needed getting used to their delivery....slightly fierce :scared:
Back to VWR and Matt wanted to take my car out to assess the Clubsports and was truly impressed with the APR delivery.....he commented saying it was one the best mapped car's he'd driven which certainly made my day! Pwerful,smooth and torquey! :smiley:
I certainly am pleased since the APR HFP and FP map was fitted. :party:
Into the workshops and after 2 tweeks to the compression damping and the rear raised I took it out for a blast. What a difference. So much smoother now...better than the OE set up in fact. Total control and so much better on entry and exiting bends...no rubbing and far more compliance. Out of the bends it is so much better laying the power down with my camber settings and a more flexible set up...had some real fun on the old roundabouts. :driver:
Car is well sorted for now. Ride home was so comfortable even the motorways.
The Clubsports will be superb for track...can't wait.
A very refined package.
Diff and brakes next!
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Pics coming up! :star:
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Mine have settled now after a few miles and the ride over bumps has got very crashy. which it wasn't for the first 100 miles or so.
I find myself swerving around pot holes now.
Small price to pay though for extra grip. :smiley:
Glad your happy. :happy2:
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Sounds good Mpsortman, I was at VWR this afternoon shame I missed you :smiley:
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Sounds good Mpsortman, I was at VWR this afternoon shame I missed you :smiley:
A shame m8...perhaps we can all make it to the Awesome RR day or another meet.
Backing the compression damping makes a huge difference Top Cat as does raising it....better ride than stock :happy2:
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Sounds good Mpsortman, I was at VWR this afternoon shame I missed you :smiley:
A shame m8...perhaps we can all make it to the Awesome RR day or another meet.
Backing the compression damping makes a huge difference Top Cat as does raising it....better ride than stock :happy2:
Yes your right i think it needs tweaking, As i mentioned it was fine for the first 100 or so, I agree felt better than stock. They asked me to pop back down and get it redone after a while, so i think i need to sort a visit soon. :happy2:
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Sounds good Mpsortman, I was at VWR this afternoon shame I missed you :smiley:
so it was you who was there while i was on the phone with Mat :laugh:
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^^^ Nope mine was only a flying visit today to collect something and drop something off and Matt was out stuffing his face :laugh: :laugh:
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VWR certainly know how to set up a car. The only thing I've had to ask them to do since doing my suspension several thousand miles ago is the wheel arch screws. Now, I get no rubbing at all.
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Sounds good Mpsortman, I was at VWR this afternoon shame I missed you :smiley:
A shame m8...perhaps we can all make it to the Awesome RR day or another meet.
Backing the compression damping makes a huge difference Top Cat as does raising it....better ride than stock :happy2:
Yes your right i think it needs tweaking, As i mentioned it was fine for the first 100 or so, I agree felt better than stock. They asked me to pop back down and get it redone after a while, so i think i need to sort a visit soon. :happy2:
Yeap the rears certainly drop quite a bit...the softer compression will definately smooth your ride out...it did mine!
Brilliant bit of kit though....well worth the money...super control and makes the chasiis so biddable at the limit if you get there.
Will take a very very special car to give a clean pair of heels on must A-roads! On track it will embarass many exotic stuff :grin:
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Before...OE suspension whilst outside Awesome.
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After with KW Clubsports fitted:
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Rides superbly now the settings have been fettled....happy with the way the car sits on the Pescaras which IMO suits the car.
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looks amazing :happy2:
(although Im surprised how much in ride height esp at the rear our cars are both as std!)
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looks amazing :happy2:
(although Im surprised how much in ride height esp at the rear our cars are both as std!)
Do you mean they both sit fairly high at the back?
Since been fettled again since these photo's prior to my visit to VWR.
Shame I haven't got proper brakes in behind those wheels though...they will have to wait.
Trying to keep the miles off it...so easy to rack the miles up especially when you want to drive it everywhere!
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Trying to keep the miles off it...so easy to rack the miles up especially when you want to drive it everywhere!
....Tell me about it!! It's hopeless trying to limit your mileage when you love driving it. I'm at 70k miles in exactly 4 years - That equals 140k in only another 4 years time! :sad1:
I really hope it's true what they say about German built Volkswagens living forever!
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sorry my bad texting again!
I meant how yours did sit quite high , whereas mine is lower as std.
still want springs or coilovers though
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sorry my bad texting again!
I meant how yours did sit quite high , whereas mine is lower as std.
still want springs or coilovers though
Save up for the Clubsports..you'll never look back....I was all for buying the KWV3's but was persuaded to buy the hand built Clubsports where you get camber adjustment at the front.....very very comfortable....better than stock.
The back has been raised very very slightly now....sits lovely jubbly! :happy2:
KW will recommend these over everything else they sell for road and track.....interesting and helpful info from KW and VWR re these latest kits....get saving :wink:
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sorry my bad texting again!
I meant how yours did sit quite high , whereas mine is lower as std.
still want springs or coilovers though
Save up for the Clubsports..you'll never look back....I was all for buying the KWV3's but was persuaded to buy the hand built Clubsports where you get camber adjustment at the front.....very very comfortable....better than stock.
The back has been raised very very slightly now....sits lovely jubbly! :happy2:
KW will recommend these over everything else they sell for road and track.....interesting and helpful info from KW and VWR re these latest kits....get saving :wink:
How do you guys with clubsports feel about not having a warranty if I read things correctly.
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How do you guys with clubsports feel about not having a warranty if I read things correctly.
....Which is partly why I went for the VWR-KW-V3's. I'd forgotten that!
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sorry my bad texting again!
I meant how yours did sit quite high , whereas mine is lower as std.
still want springs or coilovers though
Save up for the Clubsports..you'll never look back....I was all for buying the KWV3's but was persuaded to buy the hand built Clubsports where you get camber adjustment at the front.....very very comfortable....better than stock.
The back has been raised very very slightly now....sits lovely jubbly! :happy2:
KW will recommend these over everything else they sell for road and track.....interesting and helpful info from KW and VWR re these latest kits....get saving :wink:
How do you guys with clubsports feel about not having a warranty if I read things correctly.
This was one concern I had so I contacted KW direct in the UK who distribute these and they are covered under warranty. They reassured me they were covered as they were TUV approved which would mean under consumer law in the UK they would have to honour any warranty issues. The obvious caveat for any item sold for your car is that soon as you engage in any motorsport or trackday events this would negate the dealer from covering an item under warranty. All garages I have known will always fall back on this clause unfortunately for us.
I can remember a certain garage who had a customer with an engine that was built and 6 months down the line after lots of trackdays it went bang. He went back for a warranty claim and the garage declined. Fair comment if your ragging your pride and joy on track. Public trackdays can put more strain on a car than racing due to the amount of laps you can muster up in 1 day compared to the average race event.
Back to KW's yes they will cover failures which was also backed up by Awesome.
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I really hope it's true what they say about German built Volkswagens living forever!
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well our mk2 16v is now on 215,000 and as you have seen by the pics she still looks great and runs fantastic ;)
the car looks great, perfect stance :drool:
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The obvious caveat for any item sold for your car is that soon as you engage in any motorsport or trackday events this would negate the dealer from covering an item under warranty. All garages I have known will always fall back on this clause unfortunately for us.
....I can understand the justification on engine related issues but the Clubsports are very actively promoted and sold for use on trackdays! This needs clarification for those who now have KW Clubsports.
Fortunately I don't do trackdays but only laps of Nordschliefe and that's technically just a toll road :wink:
@ NEWEY - Thanks - Good news re longevity of VeeDubs :notworthy:
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The obvious caveat for any item sold for your car is that soon as you engage in any motorsport or trackday events this would negate the dealer from covering an item under warranty. All garages I have known will always fall back on this clause unfortunately for us.
....I can understand the justification on engine related issues but the Clubsports are very actively promoted and sold for use on trackdays! This needs clarification for those who now have KW Clubsports.
I can confirm they are covered under warranty but I will try and get Awesome or KW to verify this on this post. :wink:
Fortunately I don't do trackdays but only laps of Nordschliefe and that's technically just a toll road :wink:
@ NEWEY - Thanks - Good news re longevity of VeeDubs :notworthy:
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....I'm afraid that great as good coilovers are, the addition of a Quaife diff really ties the package together. A FWD car such as the Mk5 GTI particularly benefits from a diff when remapped and therefore delivering more power to the road. VW have now recognised this and include an electronic XDS diff on the Mk6 GTI.
The Mk6 does NOT have an electronic diff. Its' diff is an old skool conventional open diff, idential to the Mk5. The XDS on the Mk6 is actually just a tweak in the ABS/ESP software - think of XDS as a 'proactive' EDL (EDL is another part of ESP).
And not having a dig at the Red leader - just updating the thread incase someone searches for sommat like 'XDS', or 'can I fit the Mk6 diff into my Mk5?' :drinking:
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....I'm afraid that great as good coilovers are, the addition of a Quaife diff really ties the package together. A FWD car such as the Mk5 GTI particularly benefits from a diff when remapped and therefore delivering more power to the road. VW have now recognised this and include an electronic XDS diff on the Mk6 GTI.
The Mk6 does NOT have an electronic diff. Its' diff is an old skool conventional open diff, idential to the Mk5. The XDS on the Mk6 is actually just a tweak in the ABS/ESP software - think of XDS as a 'proactive' EDL (EDL is another part of ESP).
And not having a dig at the Red leader - just updating the thread incase someone searches for sommat like 'XDS', or 'can I fit the Mk6 diff into my Mk5?' :drinking:
....A genuine (not sarcastic!) Thank You for correcting me on this, Sean :drinking:. At the time of writing I believed that VW's 'XDS' was an electronic diff. I have only fairly recently learnt that the XDS is as you describe.
Either way, XDS certainly doesn't feel like my Quaife and it's a no-brainer which I prefer!
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....I'm afraid that great as good coilovers are, the addition of a Quaife diff really ties the package together. A FWD car such as the Mk5 GTI particularly benefits from a diff when remapped and therefore delivering more power to the road. VW have now recognised this and include an electronic XDS diff on the Mk6 GTI.
The Mk6 does NOT have an electronic diff. Its' diff is an old skool conventional open diff, idential to the Mk5. The XDS on the Mk6 is actually just a tweak in the ABS/ESP software - think of XDS as a 'proactive' EDL (EDL is another part of ESP).
And not having a dig at the Red leader - just updating the thread incase someone searches for sommat like 'XDS', or 'can I fit the Mk6 diff into my Mk5?' :drinking:
....A genuine (not sarcastic!) Thank You for correcting me on this, Sean :drinking:. At the time of writing I believed that VW's 'XDS' was an electronic diff. I have only fairly recently learnt that the XDS is as you describe.
Either way, XDS certainly doesn't feel like my Quaife and it's a no-brainer which I prefer!
Sadly, the latest Audis, including the new RS5, are going down this excessive nannying from electronics - they are using proactive cross axle braking under acceleration! :stupid:
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Sadly, the latest Audis, including the new RS5, are going down this excessive nannying from electronics - they are using proactive cross axle braking under acceleration! :stupid:
....Am I not right in thinking that reactive response is 'better' (or at least more satisfying to drive) than proactive electronics?
Nannying = Numb-ifying.
It's like the words of Pink Floyd's "Comfortably Numb" but not like the breathtaking guitar of Dave Gilmour! [RR goes off to enjoy listening to it].
^ A stunning piece of music, imo. :notworthy:
Or if you prefer it live: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wtiNzci1Wc&feature=related
[No apologies for the musical interlude]
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Sadly, the latest Audis, including the new RS5, are going down this excessive nannying from electronics - they are using proactive cross axle braking under acceleration! :stupid:
....Am I not right in thinking that reactive response is 'better' (or at least more satisfying to drive) than proactive electronics?
Nope. The XDS is proactive, in that it works before anything has happened. EDL is reactive, because it works after. ABS and BA are reactive, but CDC and EBD are proactive. The RS5 is using lots of proactive technology, in its rear diff, in the centre diff (though the centre diff is a dual mode - mechanical and electronic), and the front acle EDL is now proactive. Sad but true.
Nannying = Numb-ifying.
It's like the words of Pink Floyd's "Comfortably Numb" but not like the breathtaking guitar of Dave Gilmour! [RR goes off to enjoy listening to it].
^ A stunning piece of music, imo. :notworthy:
Or if you prefer it live: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wtiNzci1Wc&feature=related
[No apologies for the musical interlude]
Ah . . . cracking Pink Floyd - never tire of them.
A couple of my fave club tracks from a slightly different era:
What this has to do with suspension though - thread well and truely trashed! :ashamed: :ashamed: :ashamed: :ashamed:
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that QC track is a true gem :happy2:
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that QC track is a true gem :happy2:
Yup, used to hammer that out when I used to DJ in a private members club - I'd virtually get lynched if I ever forgot it! :ashamed: