Post by: dazza on September 24, 2014, 06:27:24 pm
Thanks to @vRSAlex (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=1981) for helping with a few pointers.
Everything is now disconnected from the valve cover and the hpfp is off. I forgot how much of a pita the banjo bolt on the hpfp was.
I've loosened all the screws in the top of the valve cover and removed the two on the left. But it wont budge. Any tricks or a safe place to put a pry bar??
Post by: doylebros on September 24, 2014, 06:33:17 pm
Post by: dazza on September 24, 2014, 06:36:07 pm
Post by: doylebros on September 24, 2014, 07:02:10 pm
They do get a good hold but the mallet technique will work just persist!
I can email you the Elsawin how to if you PM with your details!
Post by: dazza on September 24, 2014, 07:06:40 pm
Post by: vRSAlex on September 24, 2014, 07:07:05 pm
Thanks mate i will give it a go. So i don't need to fully remove the screws in the top of the valve cover?
The screws sit into the gasket so don't need to come out. Depending on the age of the car they can be an arse to get off. I had to use the titan of pry bars on one yesterday.
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on September 24, 2014, 07:07:11 pm
A couple where in by a thread or two. Once you're 100%!theu are all fully undone, carefully tap with a nylon hammer
Post by: dazza on September 24, 2014, 07:27:55 pm
Post by: dazza on September 24, 2014, 09:00:35 pm
This is where i am at now.
The wobble bar extensions i bought are a must have. Especially the 1/4 inch ones.
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fimages%2Fct_001.jpg&hash=504dbb15b78bf6a312ff948ceafb76078f19b8b0)
Hope the wife does not see the t-shirts her parents bought me.
The chain seems under tension so i'm probably wasting my time. Any way to tell if its fuc*ed?
A couple of things slight marks on inlet cam?
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fimages%2Fct_002.jpg&hash=17ce3c18473ffa95f46549312a70361afc1eeaac)
Is the adjuster supposed to be all scratched up?
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fimages%2Fct_003.jpg&hash=80df0cfb32488c7481a962e25a9f790ce3205688)
When i break it or can't put it back together anyone fancy a trip to Barcelona? :party:
Post by: dazza on September 25, 2014, 09:00:39 am
I will be gutted if after all this work there is no change.
Options.
Install new chain and tensioner see what happens?
Purchase adjuster and cover?
Thanks guys don't think i would have got this far without your help.
@vRSAlex (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=1981)
Post by: muff1991 on September 25, 2014, 11:56:58 am
I don't really know what to do now. Been reading a lot of posts regarding the 05 AXX engine and a lot of people have said changing the chain and tensioner did not solve the noise. And the adjuster was to blame.
I will be gutted if after all this work there is no change.
Options.
Install new chain and tensioner see what happens?
Purchase adjuster and cover?
Thanks guys don't think i would have got this far without your help.
@vRSAlex (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=1981)
how much is a new adjuster etc... while your already that far through, if you can afford it why not replace the other couple of bits and fingers crossed it will all be done and you wont have to do it again?
just my pennies worth :)
Post by: dazza on September 25, 2014, 12:04:10 pm
If i did have to do it again at least i would know what i'm doing.
Post by: muff1991 on September 25, 2014, 12:16:25 pm
Post by: dazza on September 25, 2014, 12:18:29 pm
Post by: muff1991 on September 25, 2014, 01:05:14 pm
Post by: dazza on September 25, 2014, 04:48:29 pm
Aligned mark on camshaft sprocket with mark on toothed belt cover. Even this was a pita cant even see the mark on toothed belt cover so had to use my phone.
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fimages%2Fct_004.jpg&hash=aff8eb1c57732d1bbe5317c83de58c04ae932cdf)
Must have been nearly on the money as cam locking tool slid into place.
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fimages%2Fct_006.jpg&hash=8bdd09cf4e2dbc0fd312270e590094a8a3a185c7)
Post by: dazza on September 25, 2014, 08:46:04 pm
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmedia.giphy.com%2Fmedia%2FtVuNvOJ3wt7gc%2Fgiphy.gif&hash=a3d0c77ad1ebe1dff412089bc8ead88249bd2492)
The bolt holding the adjustor totally rounded off. And yes i did use 10mm Polydrive Bit.
Options please.
Don't say take it to a proper mechanic i am too stubborn.
Post by: rich83 on September 25, 2014, 08:49:55 pm
Post by: dazza on September 25, 2014, 09:00:57 pm
I should have used the impact straight off it probably would have got it out. But i was worried it would strip the bolt.
What about something like this do they work?
http://www.amazon.co.uk/PIECE-MULTI-SPLINE-STUD-EXTRACTOR/dp/B004OWVFB8/ref=sr_1_1?s=diy&ie=UTF8&qid=1411674819&sr=1-1&keywords=multi+spline+extractor
Congrats on your first instagram post.
Post by: vRSAlex on September 25, 2014, 10:22:43 pm
The main issue is that the laser cam holding tool isn't strong enough to hold the cam steady. If they had thought about it more, then they would have just copied the genuine tool rather than get the local pre school to make it.
The only ribe bit that I've found that fits the bolt perfectly is the genuine one.
Post by: dazza on September 25, 2014, 10:44:22 pm
Looks like you will have to drill the head off the bolt imo. You need the full grip of the ribe to get them undone.If i drill the bolt head out what about the piece of bolt left in the cam? Will there be any room to get something on it to get it out?
The main issue is that the laser cam holding tool isn't strong enough to hold the cam steady. If they had thought about it more, then they would have just copied the genuine tool rather than get the local pre school to make it.
The only ribe bit that I've found that fits the bolt perfectly is the genuine one.
If i do get it out will i be able to get enough torque on it with this bit?
Post by: vRSAlex on September 26, 2014, 06:23:58 pm
Looks like you will have to drill the head off the bolt imo. You need the full grip of the ribe to get them undone.If i drill the bolt head out what about the piece of bolt left in the cam? Will there be any room to get something on it to get it out?
The main issue is that the laser cam holding tool isn't strong enough to hold the cam steady. If they had thought about it more, then they would have just copied the genuine tool rather than get the local pre school to make it.
The only ribe bit that I've found that fits the bolt perfectly is the genuine one.
If i do get it out will i be able to get enough torque on it with this bit?
As soon as the head comes off the bolt, then the thread that is left will just unscrew by hand. The pressure is held in the head of the bolt.
Post by: dazza on September 26, 2014, 07:18:31 pm
Post by: v4rley on September 27, 2014, 07:59:17 pm
Post by: dazza on September 27, 2014, 08:17:27 pm
Any updates? :scared:Hopefully will get the head off the bolt soon. Need to find a slightly bigger drill bit easier said than done over here.
Decided i will replace the adjuster as well. Trying to guarantee my success.
Post by: v4rley on September 27, 2014, 09:26:22 pm
Keep up the good work like to see a good DIY'er, would have been interested to see if fixed without the adjuster change, but as you say may well do it whilst your in there!
Post by: th3_f15t on September 27, 2014, 09:49:24 pm
Crap. Although some good advice here! :happy2:
Post by: dazza on September 27, 2014, 10:32:03 pm
Ok :drinking:Thanks for the support mate. Prior to this car the most i ever did was fit a new battery. After talking to the local dealers and garages who had no idea about most things i was asking i decided to do it myself. I'm in Spain most people don't look after their cars so when you do need work its an absolute fortune.
Keep up the good work like to see a good DIY'er, would have been interested to see if fixed without the adjuster change, but as you say may well do it whilst your in there!
Luckily this forum and some others pointed me in the right direction.
Did a basic service first along with cam follower and dv valve then the DSG, couple of cv boots, brake discs pads and fluid and i ended up here.
Post by: dazza on September 27, 2014, 10:54:55 pm
While i'm waiting a couple of things i've noticed/broke.
Firstly Plugs reuse or replace?
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fimages%2Fpl_001.jpg&hash=8d26bf09ab9c5844b32c0e72aef1d09fe24c46a3)
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fimages%2Fpl_002.jpg&hash=921b3335b243632e830f479a0fdc58e4d6533741)
Coil pack clip can i change just the clip part? I broke it :sad1:
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fimages%2Fpl_003.jpg&hash=f5fcff188e7b4eaa1bcc7fd7edf0ba978bd0411f)
Protective cover on wire going to coil pack harness disintegrated!
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fimages%2Fpl_004.jpg&hash=93117d85f84f33ef01014cd5b405a0ffaaeaf7a4)
Should i try and re-protect this?
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fimages%2Fpl_005.jpg&hash=9ea923383afff6ec2e2d9e3367387c9ff85eb950)
Post by: th3_f15t on September 27, 2014, 10:59:11 pm
Post by: dazza on September 27, 2014, 11:02:08 pm
@fab5freddy (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=3064) has some coilpacks for sale, good price too. Hope that solves one issue.The coil pack is fine its the clip on the harness i broke. I can still get it on and off but i have ocd and this will really piss me off.
Post by: th3_f15t on September 27, 2014, 11:06:13 pm
Post by: dazza on September 27, 2014, 11:11:49 pm
Breaking your OCD = fail. If it clips on securely then all good but if the connection is loose I'd assume misfires will manifest themselves. I take it some duct tape isn't on the cards due to OCD?Duct tape not an option. I only have OCD when it comes to code or cars. Sorry not cars you should see my other car its held together with duct tape. My kids ask me all the time why don't I clean our other car.
Post by: dazza on September 28, 2014, 08:39:56 pm
So putting my little DIY on hold for a couple of days the sh*tty drill bits i've found locally cannot cut it. Treated myself to a set of Cobalt Drill Bits should make my life a little easier and i'm sure i will need them a lot in the future.Sorry for the bump can anyone help with these things? @vRSAlex (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=1981)
While i'm waiting a couple of things i've noticed/broke.
Firstly Plugs reuse or replace?
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fimages%2Fpl_001.jpg&hash=8d26bf09ab9c5844b32c0e72aef1d09fe24c46a3)
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fimages%2Fpl_002.jpg&hash=921b3335b243632e830f479a0fdc58e4d6533741)
Coil pack clip can i change just the clip part? I broke it :sad1:
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fimages%2Fpl_003.jpg&hash=f5fcff188e7b4eaa1bcc7fd7edf0ba978bd0411f)
Protective cover on wire going to coil pack harness disintegrated!
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fimages%2Fpl_004.jpg&hash=93117d85f84f33ef01014cd5b405a0ffaaeaf7a4)
Should i try and re-protect this?
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fimages%2Fpl_005.jpg&hash=9ea923383afff6ec2e2d9e3367387c9ff85eb950)
Also there was a some oil on the side of the coil packs i suppose this would be from the valve cover gasket as some of the bolts were very loose.
Post by: doylebros on September 29, 2014, 07:35:21 pm
http://www.partscats.info/volkswagen/en/?i=cat_vag_models&brand=vw&number=1714&set=1728&ein=2007&f=474&hauptgr=1234567890&hg=9&grf=097111420&bf=97111&hgug=971&ug=71&parent_id=2366404&detail_id=2366443
Item 17 is the connector block part number 4B0 973 724 - £8.22 full retail inc vat
That should sort the coil pack connection out but would need more of your vehicle details to confirm 100%.
Also item 4 part number 06F 971 824 C guide cable £9.66 full retail inc vat
I think that's what you mean by the insulation.
Post by: dazza on September 29, 2014, 11:19:44 pm
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fimages%2Fct_003.jpg&hash=80df0cfb32488c7481a962e25a9f790ce3205688)
Post by: bigmig95 on September 30, 2014, 09:20:51 am
I've got one or two brand new coil pack plugs sat around, I can send across, I'll just need postage ? Have them FOC I hate to see a bloke in trouble :happy2:
Mines also a 2005 and the cam is revision B. I thought the American market was littered with the revision A cams early on, not sure if any / how many made their way over to us.
Mine below
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fjj45%2Fgodsy1969%2FphotoA-Copy_zpsfa9098cd.jpg&hash=7c6533db58d794930332c88674619265ac930d98)
IMO better off getting a decent used cam in rather than attempting to change the lobe, could get messy if it is at all feasible for a DIY'er ? :scared:
Post by: dazza on September 30, 2014, 11:16:27 am
Dazza,Thanks mate that would be awesome will pm you my uk address.
I've got one or two brand new coil pack plugs sat around, I can send across, I'll just need postage ? Have them FOC I hate to see a bloke in trouble :happy2:
Mines also a 2005 and the cam is revision B. I thought the American market was littered with the revision A cams early on, not sure if any / how many made their way over to us.
Mine below
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fjj45%2Fgodsy1969%2FphotoA-Copy_zpsfa9098cd.jpg&hash=7c6533db58d794930332c88674619265ac930d98)
IMO better off getting a decent used cam in rather than attempting to change the lobe, could get messy if it is at all feasible for a DIY'er ? :scared:
I've made some silly mistakes with this. And will probably make more still glad i attempted it. Gets me off the computer for a while.
Post by: dazza on September 30, 2014, 05:17:58 pm
New drill bits arrived. Went straight in with 12.5mm. Could see one side of bolt had cracked so finished up with 13mm.
Hit cam slightly don't know if this was today or when i lost my cool with the sh*tty drill bits the other day. Bolt stub came out easy. Have no idea if cam is ok to continue?
My cam.
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fimages%2F20140930_114914_resized-1.jpg&hash=db19ead1846188d6de85913d79e17cc528b4a5b9)
Not drilled out cam.
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fad142%2Fdcymustang%2FIMAG0352.jpg&hash=38f792ec9a8c762fda0ae6c0d842031e4136cea7)
As always thanks guys.
Post by: dazza on September 30, 2014, 09:10:18 pm
Coming back to the cam lobe now. Cleaned everything up making sure i got rid of any metal shavings left over from the drilling session.
The cam lobe looks a bit better. I can feel some of the marks but cannot really catch them with my nail anymore.
Also added a picture of the cam follower @ 2000 kms
The cam lobe looks a bit better. I can feel some of the marks but cannot really catch them with my nail anymore.
Also added a picture of the cam follower @ 2000 kms
Post by: grumpy on October 02, 2014, 03:01:45 am
Apparently you can check the part number by looking to see what is etched in the cam between the lobes for 2 and 3 cylinders, perfect while you have the cover off. Any letter from b onwards is considered hard enough to play with the autotech upgrade.
Good luck mate, keep us posted....
Post by: mrvertigo73 on October 03, 2014, 02:22:34 am
Post by: dazza on October 21, 2014, 11:23:54 pm
So some goodies arrived today.
Got the new adjustor, chain and tensioner installed sorry for the sh*t pic its been a long day.
Any way to check the timing before i start reasembly? @vRSAlex (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=1981)
I decided to change the coil pack clip while i was there expecting it to be easy. @bigmig95 (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=3271) is the pin u sent me for the coil clip? If so my pins are different see attached pic.
Thanks again guys for all your help.
Also any pointers for getting her put back together anything need a spot of oil etc?
Got the new adjustor, chain and tensioner installed sorry for the sh*t pic its been a long day.
Any way to check the timing before i start reasembly? @vRSAlex (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=1981)
I decided to change the coil pack clip while i was there expecting it to be easy. @bigmig95 (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=3271) is the pin u sent me for the coil clip? If so my pins are different see attached pic.
Thanks again guys for all your help.
Also any pointers for getting her put back together anything need a spot of oil etc?
Post by: bigmig95 on October 22, 2014, 08:27:09 am
Post by: dazza on October 22, 2014, 08:32:47 am
Post by: bigmig95 on October 22, 2014, 08:48:38 am
The connectors I supplied will fit on the old and new coil packs you have but it looks like the there's a possibility the internal pin design has changed and some internal dimensions on the connector to accommodate this new pin.
How do the pins look dimensionally when held against each other.
Options are
1 - Find a couple of older connectors (I'll have a nose around at home)
2 - change your pins for the newer type to accommodate the new connectors (ball ache)
Leave it with me If I've got anything I'll post them FOC for the additional headache it's giving you with all the other work your doing. :happy2:
Post by: dazza on October 22, 2014, 09:01:51 am
What years your motor. Looks like they've changed the plug design slightly then if you pins won't insert. The plugs sent to you are the latest versions from VAG, I've a draw full. I've got a couple of older plugs at home I'll have to compare them. :sad1:
The connectors I supplied will fit on the old and new coil packs you have but it looks like the there's a possibility the internal pin design has changed and some internal dimensions on the connector to accommodate this new pin.
How do the pins look dimensionally when held against each other.
Options are
1 - Find a couple of older connectors (I'll have a nose around at home)
2 - change your pins for the newer type to accommodate the new connectors (ball ache)
Leave it with me If I've got anything I'll post them FOC for the additional headache it's giving you with all the other work your doing. :happy2:
Thanks mate yes shes 2005. I Just put the old connector back on took 30 seconds. the part number on the back of my connector is 480 943 724
Will the stealers have the old style connector?
Post by: bigmig95 on October 22, 2014, 09:24:51 am
Mine are 1JO 973 724 that I sent you. Right can of worms this one :grin:
Post by: dazza on October 22, 2014, 09:36:39 am
Post by: dazza on October 22, 2014, 11:41:45 pm
Its Alive!
Got stuck in today. Put everything back together.
With a few extras.
R8 coil packs and NGK Iridium plugs.
I also deleted the banjo bolt.
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fimages%2Fbanjo.jpg&hash=6ad863a52ff218bb9113b5c16de51ef4f83d2e7a)
She seems to be running sweet only went for a quick drive around the block will update tomorrow.
Thanks to all that have helped with this.
@Scottymon (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=7640) is there a banjo delete mod??
Post by: Scottymon on October 23, 2014, 12:07:08 am
Re mod, not that I know of. :happy2:
Post by: dazza on October 23, 2014, 12:27:30 am
Bet that's a relief, well doneThanks mate. Knowing my luck lately the adjuster will fall off tomorrow.
Re mod, not that I know of. :happy2: