MK5 Golf GTI
General => Detailing => Topic started by: dazza on May 25, 2015, 12:36:45 pm
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I bought an orbital polisher last year. I was pretty happy with the results.
Trying to improve it more this year plus remove the scratches i've put in it from my poor wash routine.
There are a few areas i did not polish which i would like to this time. Including the bumper lip under the boot. Its very scratched.
Some tips on what pad/polish combo please?
Maybe i need a polish with a heavier cut?
What i have
Polish
Chemical Guys V36 Optical Cut
Chemical Guys V34 Optical Compound
Dodo Juice Supernatural Micro Prime Pre-Wax Cleanser Polish 250ml
dodo juice lime prime
Pads
Chemical Guys Hex-Logic 5,5" - Orange - Medium Cut
Chemical Guys Hex-Logic 5,5" - Verde - Light Cut & Polish
Chemical Guys Hex-Logic 5,5" - Negro - Finishing
Dodo Juice Supernatural Corduroy Cutting Pad 148mm
Dodo Juice Supernatural Fin Cut Heavy Polishing Pad 150mm
Dodo Juice Supernatural Fin Cut Light Polishing Pad 150mm
Dodo Juice Supernatural Ultra-Soft Finishing Pad 160mm
Dodo Juice 80mm pads Orange, red and black fin.
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Started to polish the roof using V34 and the heavy cutting pad. A few defects came out but not the deeper scratches. I've ordered some V32 maybe this will give me a bit more cut?
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I've heard the chemical guys polishes aren't very good, I would use your heaviest pad with some Rupes UHS or Menzerna FG400, also Megs 105/ 205 with microfibre pads is good on a DA machine. Getting stuff out of VAG paint with a DA is hard work so you'll need some very aggressive polish/ pad combos to get the best results.
If you aren't already taping up all the rubbers and plastics is a good idea, also any exposed edges that might get caught by the side of your pad because since there's no polish on it there's a chance of going through the paint but this is unlikely on a DA. Good luck :happy2:
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I've heard the chemical guys polishes aren't very good, I would use your heaviest pad with some Rupes UHS or Menzerna FG400, also Megs 105/ 205 with microfibre pads is good on a DA machine. Getting stuff out of VAG paint with a DA is hard work so you'll need some very aggressive polish/ pad combos to get the best results.
If you aren't already taping up all the rubbers and plastics is a good idea, also any exposed edges that might get caught by the side of your pad because since there's no polish on it there's a chance of going through the paint but this is unlikely on a DA. Good luck :happy2:
Thanks mate already ordered some V32 now will give that a go. If i'm not happy with the result i will try the compounds you mentioned.
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The V32 arrived this morning along with a hex logic heavy cutting pad.
I did two passes with these it seemed to put more swirls into the paint but got rid of most of the deeper scratches.
I then continued with the v32 and the hex logic medium cutting pad. For the first time ever i could actually see a difference in the section i had done.
Should i do another pass with the V32 & Medium Cutting pad or start working with the lighter polish and pads?
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Go to a lighter polish and pad to finish it off.
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I've had enough now not even finished the roof. :sad1:
Did another pass with the V32 and the Hex-Logic Medium Cut
I skipped the V34 as it just puts powder everywhere. (I think its off)
Then a pass with the V36 and the Supernatural Fin Cut Heavy Polishing Pad
And another pass with the V36 and Hex-Logic Light Cut & Polish pad.
Will finish the roof tomorrow with finishing pad and some dodo micro prime or lime prime.
Do i really need so many steps?? It will take a month at this rate.
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That's why I like the UHS or FG400 (which is a bit dusty) they finish very well even though they're heavy compounds, you can refine over them as well for extra gloss but isn't needed on most cars (especially lighter colours).
Just use your heaviest pad/ compound combo and then I light one to finish, with a DA you only ever need 2 steps really. Also you don't have to press as hard with the finishing stage or work it in as long.
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Thanks mate so V32 on a heavy pad then V36 on a finishing pad?
I didn't do a very good job on the roof last time i lost momentum having spent so much time on some really deep scratches else where.
Its looking good now. There is one scratch which i may have another go at.
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Thanks mate so V32 on a heavy pad then V36 on a finishing pad?
Yeah that should do it, don't get to caught up trying to remove every scratch as with a DA you won't get everything out of VAG paint.
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Thanks mate so V32 on a heavy pad then V36 on a finishing pad?
Yeah that should do it, don't get to caught up trying to remove every scratch as with a DA you won't get everything out of VAG paint.
My car has too many scratches just one the roof that i see everytime i put the kids in the car. Its a scratch that no one else can see. :confused: My wife thinks i'm nuts.
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Now that the sun is out I Keep spotting defects all over the place.
I'm thinking about getting one of these. Worth it??
FLEX XC 3401 VRG Positive Drive Orbital Polisher
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Good machines.
They are forced drive dual action polishers.
I personally prefer a rotary, we use flex pe14-2-150s
Rupes are good and so are those flex vrgs
The rupes are random orbital da which will slow down or stop spinning if you angle it as such. They have a bigger throw which is good for larger panels. Annoying on smaller ones. Id get the flex vrg personally but i think dan rates the rupes very highly :) he uses them a lot more , ive never used a rupes myself.
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Good machines.
They are forced drive dual action polishers.
I personally prefer a rotary, we use flex pe14-2-150s
Rupes are good and so are those flex vrgs
The rupes are random orbital da which will slow down or stop spinning if you angle it as such. They have a bigger throw which is good for larger panels. Annoying on smaller ones. Id get the flex vrg personally but i think dan rates the rupes very highly :) he uses them a lot more , ive never used a rupes myself.
Thanks mate will i see better results than with the das 6?
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Yeah I'm a Rupes whore, I dont know much about the flex VRG's tbh but I've heard some good reviews on them. I love the Rupes machines and with a good pad/ compound combo you could get ypurs looking spot on, they're much more powerful than a standard DA (like the DAS6) and not quite as powerful as a rotary. The only downside really is that you can't just put a small backing plate on a big machine you need both machines to use the 150mm and 80mm pads. Luckily at work we have all the machines so its not an issue for me.
Personally I'd reccomend this, and also a bottle of the UHS compound to use with the green pad as I find you can get more out with it.
http://www.elitecarcare.co.uk/rupes-lhr15es-bigfoot-random-orbital-standard-kit.php
If you do want to order it or any stuff let me know and I'll get you a discount :happy2:
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Thanks dan. I have seen the VRG for £281.40 delivered. Just the machine/backing plate. So i'm leaning towards that at the moment. Its a pity none of the pads i have will work on these bigger machines.
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Wow that's a really good price, just spoke to my boss and he said we can't match that so I'd go for it. Even after buying a couple of pads and compounds its £100 odd less than the Rupes. Like I said I've heard good stuff and know for a fact their rotary machines are really good so I reckon you'll get some good results.
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I will add it to my wishlist i found one on eBay for £259.17 delivered. Euro sellers are doing a bit better these days as the euro is weak. Can u recommend a good set of pads and some polish for this?
What i have at the moment.
Chemical Guys V36, V34, V32
Dodo Juice Supernatural Micro Prime
dodo juice lime prime
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Good machines.
They are forced drive dual action polishers.
I personally prefer a rotary, we use flex pe14-2-150s
Rupes are good and so are those flex vrgs
The rupes are random orbital da which will slow down or stop spinning if you angle it as such. They have a bigger throw which is good for larger panels. Annoying on smaller ones. Id get the flex vrg personally but i think dan rates the rupes very highly :) he uses them a lot more , ive never used a rupes myself.
Thanks mate will i see better results than with the das 6?
Yes mate with either a rupes or a flex vrg you will get better results with a das6 pro. Which arent bad machines just quite vibratey.
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I would recommend starting with a green hexlogic pad (heavy cutting) and some Rupes UHS polish.
Then finish off with a black hexlogic pad (finishing) and some Sonax profiline perfect finish.
With the UHS makes sure its thouroughly spread otherwise it can fling a bit especially on curved panels but it doesn't dust because its more watery. With the Sonax its goes a long way so you don't need much and you will go through a few cloths buffing it off because its quite thick and taccy but does an excellent job so its worth it.
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I didn't get around to buying the new polisher yet. Its on my rather long wanted list.
Went camping for the weekend and had some rather nasty bird poo spots on the car. Got them off as soon as i got home but one of them has marked the paint at certain angles i can see where the bird poo was. Also a lot of water spots are developing. I apply wax or sealant every few weeks so surely this should stop the bird poo/watermarks??
Any protection products you guys can recommend for the higher temps over here?
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CQUK...
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Can someone point me in the right direction for pads for the FLEX XC 3401 VRG Positive Drive Orbital Polisher.
I bought the wrong size lol
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Checking the specs
Velcro pad 150 mm or 5.9 inches
I bought two 6 inch pads and they are two small. :sad1:
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I contacted the seller i bought the pads from they can exchange for Rupes 180mm pads.
Will these be ok or should i get a refund? @dansmith180 (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=9450)
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I think the problem is the face on those pads will be 6" but the backing part is 5". Same with the Rupes pads as they're a cone shape so a 6" pad has a 5" backing and the 7" has a 6" backing.
The 180mm rupes pads should be fine but i would look at the Lake Country 6.5" pads as they're more similar to what you've purchased and there's more to choose from.
Sorry I only just replied, although you tagged me I wasn't notified I just happened to look
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I think the problem is the face on those pads will be 6" but the backing part is 5". Same with the Rupes pads as they're a cone shape so a 6" pad has a 5" backing and the 7" has a 6" backing.
The 180mm rupes pads should be fine but i would look at the Lake Country 6.5" pads as they're more similar to what you've purchased and there's more to choose from.
Sorry I only just replied, although you tagged me I wasn't notified I just happened to look
Thanks mate i will back these and have a look at the others you mentioned.
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@dansmith180 (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=9450) i now have Rupes UHS and Sonax profiline perfect finish.
Just not sure on what Lake Country pads to get.
I'm also looking for a new wax i've been using dodo juice supernatural wax. Thinking maybe a liquid that i can apply with the polisher?
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@dansmith180 (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=9450) i now have Rupes UHS and Sonax profiline perfect finish.
Just not sure on what Lake Country pads to get.
I'm also looking for a new wax i've been using dodo juice supernatural wax. Thinking maybe a liquid that i can apply with the polisher?
I would use a yellow one with the UHS and a black one with the Sonax. Wax wise it depends what you want,, if you're after gloss then machine applicated sealants such as Wolfgang deep gloss paint sealant and Chemical guys Blacklight are fantastic. If you're after longevity however they're not great really, I would stick with Bilt Hamber speed wax or any Collinite wax
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@dansmith180 (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=9450) i now have Rupes UHS and Sonax profiline perfect finish.
Just not sure on what Lake Country pads to get.
I'm also looking for a new wax i've been using dodo juice supernatural wax. Thinking maybe a liquid that i can apply with the polisher?
I would use a yellow one with the UHS and a black one with the Sonax. Wax wise it depends what you want,, if you're after gloss then machine applicated sealants such as Wolfgang deep gloss paint sealant and Chemical guys Blacklight are fantastic. If you're after longevity however they're not great really, I would stick with Bilt Hamber speed wax or any Collinite wax
Thanks again mate. Whats what should i use to remove the wax with a polisher?
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Just buff off with a nice soft microfibre like normal mate, most machine sealants want to sit for 20mins or so meaning you can normally apply to half the car then buff off and repeat
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Just buff off with a nice soft microfibre like normal mate, most machine sealants want to sit for 20mins or so meaning you can normally apply to half the car then buff off and repeat
Thanks mate looking forward to getting stuck into this. Hopefully i will be a bit happier with the results.
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Made a start on the paint today. Usually i would have left it until spring but some **** keyed the bonnet.
Two bucket wash followed with the clay bar then wipe down with some red mist. I struggle buffing anything off could it be i use to much product or the microfiber cloths are too soft?
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Done a couple of sections of the bonnet with the flex vrgs, Rupes UHS polish and a yellow lake country pad bye bye swirls. :fighting:
The machine is easier on the arms than the das6 i can feel the panel getting warm.
Should i do a complete pass on the bonnet then come back to the scratch?
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Its going to take some time to get the scratch out. Does the Rupes UHS polish have more cut than the Chemical Guys V32?
How hot can i let the panel get?
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Not used the V32 before but UHS is pretty aggressive so can't imagine V32 has much more. If its not on or near the edge of a panel then it can get pretty hot. Sometimes I will go over it a few times then let it cool then hit it again without buffing off the compound in between.
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Not used the V32 before but UHS is pretty aggressive so can't imagine V32 has much more. If its not on or near the edge of a panel then it can get pretty hot. Sometimes I will go over it a few times then let it cool then hit it again without buffing off the compound in between.
Thanks again for your help. My bonnet it a mess anyway full of road rash but i would like to get the scratch out. Will have another go at it tomorrow.
So far i'm happy with the new machine and polish. It would be impossible to get perfect but it should be a lot better than it was. A couple of passes on the bonnet got most of the swirls out just leaving a few deeper scratches here and there. I'm struggling to see whats what on the bonnet, looking forward to getting onto the wings and doors.
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you need to get the smaller backing plate so you can use the 5.5" pads.
http://www.cleanyourcar.co.uk/polishing-accessories/dual-action-backing-plates/flex-xc-3401-vrg-5-5-inch-backing-plate/prod_1569.html
I don't like using the bigger 6.5" pads
For what its worth as well I'm currently really getting on with the rupes pads and compounds on the flex VRG. both me and my assistant use this combination now.
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you need to get the smaller backing plate so you can use the 5.5" pads.
http://www.cleanyourcar.co.uk/polishing-accessories/dual-action-backing-plates/flex-xc-3401-vrg-5-5-inch-backing-plate/prod_1569.html
I don't like using the bigger 6.5" pads
For what its worth as well I'm currently really getting on with the rules pads and compounds on the flex VRG. both me and my assistant use this combination now.
Thats good to know i have a lot of the smaller pads.
Any tips for dealing with this? Most of it has polished out just left with a fine line.
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you need to get the smaller backing plate so you can use the 5.5" pads.
http://www.cleanyourcar.co.uk/polishing-accessories/dual-action-backing-plates/flex-xc-3401-vrg-5-5-inch-backing-plate/prod_1569.html
I don't like using the bigger 6.5" pads
For what its worth as well I'm currently really getting on with the rules pads and compounds on the flex VRG. both me and my assistant use this combination now.
Thats good to know i have a lot of the smaller pads.
Any tips for dealing with this? Most of it has polished out just left with a fine line.
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Very hard to see. TBH the paint looks very blotchy and hazy. But I think your referring to the scratch to the left of the main light source. Without knowing the paint depth I wouldn't advise chasing it. If there is good paint depth then I'd use a 3" spot will pad to focus the polishing on that area and then go over again with the 5.5" pad to refine it down.
Also.. i changed my spelling mistake from earlier... i meant RUPES pads and compounds.
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Hopefully the paint looked terrible due to having not cleaned it for over a month. Which made me notice the scratch straight away as there was a clean swipe across the bonnet.
How the bonnet is at the moment. I can still find the scratch with a lamp but could not pick it up in a photo. The paint depth around the scratch is 113-128. I have some 3 inch pads but will they do much on the das6?
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A close up of the wing i have just finished. Cant find any swirls but there are a couple of fine scratches will probably leave these as if i try and get everything out i will be at it forever.
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Made a bit more progress today.
Still struggling buffing the polish off. The soft microfibres i have seem to take ages to buff the product off and the not so soft microfibres buff the product off but think they may scratch the paint. Can anyone recommend some?
Tomorrow i will need to do the drivers door think this has been poorly resprayed as the paint readings are more than everywhere else and i get paint on the pads. Should i skip the yellow pad and rupes and just give it a once over with the finishing pad?
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Forgive me but I haven't read the full thread but have you tried flattening the scratch back with 1500 wet & dry?
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Forgive me but I haven't read the full thread but have you tried flattening the scratch back with 1500 wet & dry?
I have thought about it but knowing me i would probably make it worse.
My bonnet is such a mess due to road rash/road rash repair by an old owner :sick: . I may treat my self to a respray in the new year.
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It doesn't look that deep mate try a bit 1500 on it. Use a block with it tho and I prefer to use soapy water when I flatten stuff back. Then use a cutting compound to bring it up nice and shiney. I find that 3M fast cut plus is good stuff
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I've bought the 5.5inch backing plate.
Also thinking about getting this for the DAS6 will it help get rid of the deeper scratches?
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.chemicalguysspain.com%2F447-873-thickbox%2Fmicrofiber-pad-325-cut-.jpg&hash=e5a5641620f9cb442ba88f9224804775fb2a9139)
http://www.chemicalguysspain.com/lang-en/microfiber-pad-325/447-microfiber-pad-325-cut-.html
Moving on to my next problem the top of the bumper under the boot is badly scratched should i put some wet and dry to this?
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The chemical guys microfibres are good and will get out some heavy stuff.
If your having issues getting the rupes polish off you might be using too much/ not working it in long enough. It should be pretty clear by the time you've finished polishing and that's when its ready to buff off. Otherwise maybe spraying on some quick detailed will help when buffing off. I do find cloths that are too thick/ soft don't buff off polish well, they're great for wax but for polish I use a good quality all purpose microfibre as they're a good balance between soft yet firm enough to remove easily.
If would go easy on that door and start light then work up slowly if it needs more.
I would maybe try some 2000 on that scratch if you can't get it out with just polishing, 2000 then 2500 then a good polishing should come up nice. Maybe watch a couple of YouTube demo's on wetsanding as you can learn a lot from them.
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The chemical guys microfibres are good and will get out some heavy stuff.
If your having issues getting the rupes polish off you might be using too much/ not working it in long enough. It should be pretty clear by the time you've finished polishing and that's when its ready to buff off. Otherwise maybe spraying on some quick detailed will help when buffing off. I do find cloths that are too thick/ soft don't buff off polish well, they're great for wax but for polish I use a good quality all purpose microfibre as they're a good balance between soft yet firm enough to remove easily.
If would go easy on that door and start light then work up slowly if it needs more.
I would maybe try some 2000 on that scratch if you can't get it out with just polishing, 2000 then 2500 then a good polishing should come up nice. Maybe watch a couple of YouTube demo's on wetsanding as you can learn a lot from them.
Thanks again for your help. I've ordered more microfibers most of mine are too soft. A couple work well but i'm sure the seams may be scratching the paint. I struggle buffing the red mist off also so Ive mixed some IPA with water (hope this is ok). Will give the wet and dry a go.
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No worries mate, sounds like a plan :happy2:
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Its a good job i'm not getting paid by the hour this is taking ages.
Put some wet and dry to the bumper i got a bit :scared: bottled out and buffed it back up some of the deeper scratches came out nicely.
My next obstacle i have no idea how it happened 6 scratches running across most of the bumper. :sick:
I can catch my nail on these so i suspect they are all the way through the paint. Anything i can do?
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From what I can see it looks like stress cracks in the paint where something has bumped into it
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From what I can see it looks like stress cracks in the paint where something has bumped into it
That would make sense in a county where its totally normal to bump other cars when parking.
So a new bumper would be best?
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No you don't need a new bumper. Just need to be repainted
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No you don't need a new bumper. Just need to be repainted
If it was bumped again wouldn't it split in the same place?
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Only if it was bumped in the same place
And it also depends how hard it's bumped too. It's had a decent bump for that to happen
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Only if it was bumped in the same place
And it also depends how hard it's bumped too. It's had a decent bump for that to happen
It will get bumped again and again in this country, i thought there may be a weakness there hence my silly question above.
The bumper has no other signs that its been hit hard.
Will move on to a different panel and get some quotes for the bonnet and bumper in the new year.
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If there's a good paint shop over there they should be able to colour match the paint and local the repair in instead of painting the full bumper
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If there's a good paint shop over there they should be able to colour match the paint and local the repair in instead of painting the full bumper
There are a couple of paint shops local but every time i walk past i cringe as the cars are bumper to bumper no room to even open the doors.
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Sounds erm good lol. Bring it over here and I'll repair it lol
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Sounds erm good lol. Bring it over here and I'll repair it lol
Don't think my car would make it to the UK.
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Course it would. Have faith in das auto lol
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Not getting on to well with this. Even with the new polisher/polish. Swirls come out easy but scratches that don't even look that deep will not come out.
Am i doing something wrong? I've tried the spot microfiber pad, 5.5 inch corduroy cutting pad, Yellow 6.5 inch pad and the yellow 5.5 inch pad. Had enough now. :sad1:
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That seems odd.
What size sections are you doing? For instance how many sectors do you split the bonnet into?
How many times do you go over said area before you buff off the polish?
From a scale of 1-10 (one being snails pace and ten being after 7 red bulls speed) how quickly do you move the polisher from side to side/ up and down?
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I did the bonnet is 6 sections.
6/8 passes before buffing off. Moving the machine slowly hence working on this for over a week.
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Given up on that panel. TBH once i got the scratch on the bonnet cleaned up. I should have just given it the once over with the sonax and a black pad. The scratches that have always been there don't seem to want to budge.
The black 6.5 inch Lake County css pad works really well with the sonax. Tried the 5.5 inch black hex logic pad and it was pants in comparison. Will be ordering some Lake Country 5.5 inch pads for my next polishing session.
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I'm stumped as to why you're having that issue tbh, the paint is hard but with how you're doing it and what you're using it should be coming up pretty nicely.
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I'm stumped as to why you're having that issue tbh, the paint is hard but with how you're doing it and what you're using it should be coming up pretty nicely.
This session has cleaned most things up nicely maybe the scratches i'm chasing are just too deep. When i check with the lamp some areas are perfect. I have a few random deep scratches here and there.
I spent the most time on the drivers side rear wheel arch. Just above the curve of the arch a lot of scratches they would not budge. The drivers door has been painted so maybe this was damaged the same time.
I think polishing a car that had bad paint in the first place would give me more satisfaction. The two polishing sessions i've done with the das 6 over the past year and a half actually did a ok job.
Here is the roof i just did one pass with the sonax and black pad. There are 3 random scratches on the roof which i would have liked to get out but didn't even try as i've had enough. Maybe i need a really hard spot pad for the das 6.
Waxed her with collinite insulator wax.
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Took the car out yesterday. Definitely an improvement over my last attempts. It's not so sunny now so i don't notice the deeper scratches. Thanks again for all your help.
Although the car is in good condition compared to most Spanish cars Ideally nearly half of it needs a respray due to stone chips and dodgy touchups in the past.
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Gave the car its first wash since the polishing session. I don't know why i bother its already swirled/scratched up mainly on the passenger side, i suspect it the kids. :fighting:
Tried the bilt hamber double speed-wax did not get on to well with that its not easy to buff off.