All Things Mk5 > Performance Modifications
Custom "retard" mapping?
GrayMK5GTI:
--- Quote from: vRS Carl on June 12, 2013, 07:49:23 pm ---I think someone is telling porkies here. I do not believe for one minute that R-Tech map EVERY single car differently. :chicken:
They will do EXACTLY what Revo do. I.E take the car, apply map, drive the car and alter the boost timing and fuelling to suit the car so it's running safe.
I seriously doubt Nick/R-Tech has the time to do what you are saying. Maybe on a select few cars they have sat on a Dyno and done what you say. But I think it would be a handful at most.
What you are saying they are doing would take a couple of days worth of mapping, data logging and fine tuning. From what I gather from people's posts they get the car back after a couple of hours at most. Hardly a "Custom" map. I've still yet to have someone convince me that a car can be set up on the rolling road better than the actual road. If that was the case then no Motorsport team or car manufacturer would do on road testing or drive the ring etc. it would all be done on a Dyno.
Each to there own and all that but I think some common sense needs to be applied.
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Custom as in fine tuned to the specific hardware of the car (repeating myself again :sad1:) not adjusting boost, timing and fuel across the whole rev range by a single setting. . .
I was there for 2.5hrs when my GTI was getting the stage 1 treatment. Nick was forever tweaking things and dynoing again until it was right. depends on what extent of tune your going for, as said above a base map is applied then fine tuned til it's perfect. You tweak all the factors where needed until everything is sweet.
James's was on the dyno for 2 days solid and ED30Dom's will be on for a similar amount of time.
Nick always shows you what he is doing for example when he's adjusting the actuator to change the spool of the turbo it's all there on the PC in front of you
Take it you haven't read Saint Steves review, that sums the whole process up brilliantly.
vRS Carl:
As I said earlier, Steve thought supperchips was comparable to Revo. :grin:
Now all of a sudden due to some mystic forces R-Tech is the map of the millennium.
I went to Revo HQ and they had my car for about 90mins when they mapped it. Doesn't mean all of a sudden it's a bespoke custom map for my car. :confused:
xjay1337:
--- Quote from: Janner_Sy on June 12, 2013, 05:12:02 pm ---
--- Quote from: xjay1337 on June 12, 2013, 04:58:29 pm ---But it is better than a Revo map...
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On what basis though? You must have first hand experience of having both?
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No. I've seen dyno charts. I've had my TFSI like 3 weeks. Prior to that I had a diesel which originally was breathed on by Rtech, and they were the only company after spending 20 minutes researching, who were worth visiting.
--- Quote from: Janner_Sy on June 12, 2013, 05:12:02 pm ---
--- Quote from: xjay1337 on June 12, 2013, 04:58:29 pm ---R-tech are hardly an emerging brand in the UK, they are very well known within the VAG community. Just as much so as Revo, to the "enthusiasts" at least.
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They might well be well known in the VAG scene but that is predominantly with the 1.8T which is vastly different to the 2.0TFSI and they are new with the 2.0TFSI in comparison. Hence all this very recent R&D done on James K04 and posting about how they cant wait to start working on a BT 2.0TFSI setup. I asked about getting my twincharger mapped there and they werent interested in developing software for a couple more years. So, say they decide next month that they are going to start 1.4TSI R&D, does the fact that they are well renowned in the VAG scene make up for the 3-4 years of extra R&D and tuning experience thes e "flash tuners" have on the 1.4TSI....no it doesnt.
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They are doing a lot of work on the 1.8Ts, because they have been around for a lot, lot longer. What's wrong with research and development? I've not read the posts but who really cares - they are developing things in the right way. Always on the safe side.. and then when they know the limits, they push the boundaries.
As I said previously, I had a TDI which originally had an R-tech map. After a while, I stuck some larger injectors in and called up R-Tech if they could tweak my map for me. They said no - And explained why, that it would take him a whole day to just understand how the injectors work with that engine and that turbo, and then the usual mapping time on top of it - making it expensive, which I can completely understand.
Instead I went to somewhere (not a Revo etc) else who, frankly, did a mediocore job. Why work on something you don't fully understand, or that would be cost-prohibitive to the customer.
For a tuner to turn away work for a valid reason, that takes integrity.
And at the end of the day this is a predominantly 2.0 TFSI forum - not a twincharger set up.. Besides, the 1.4's are so flimsy they generally break a supercharger before you even get a chance to map them unfortunately. :confused: :confused:
Rtech are well known BECAUSE of their work. It sells itself. You go trawling the web, you'll only ever find good reviews.You think that Revo continually develop every map they have? They did it once and then they flash it onto every car.
--- Quote from: Janner_Sy on June 12, 2013, 05:12:02 pm ---
--- Quote from: xjay1337 on June 12, 2013, 04:58:29 pm ---Nick at Rtech is very very very knowledgeable. Not saying that the chief mappers at Revo aren't but you don't get them mapping your car, you get a map they wrote on ANOTHER car put onto yours, which may be slightly different.
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That he might be, but also bear in mind, he doesn't write software from the ground up on every custom map he does as he himself has even pointed this out in several posts on here. He has developed a solid base map(developed on ANOTHER car) which he will upload and then customize from there. This is no different really to a REVO maps being applied to the car and the likes of JKM, PDT etc then adjusting the settings and logs to suit the car and mods.
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He's admitted it - So that's honesty? And you're trying to use that against him? They are completely different to Revo maps, in terms of, the checks before hand, the fact he only does it with dyno to test things, has the correct logging parameters.
I've seen Revo flash mapping cars at events for £300 (special show prices!!! :surprised:) with no dyno, no checks, nothing. Just a flash and forget. WHICH IS WHAT THEY ARE. And that is NOT what R-tech are.
I don't understand why you'd pay MORE for a map which is less good quality. R-tech are amongst the cheapest and you will get the best maps and the best aftercare in the game.
The quality of which is debatable but I am not getting into that argument as we will just disagree ;)
Janner_Sy:
--- Quote from: xjay1337 on June 12, 2013, 08:38:27 pm ---
--- Quote from: Janner_Sy on June 12, 2013, 05:12:02 pm ---
--- Quote from: xjay1337 on June 12, 2013, 04:58:29 pm ---But it is better than a Revo map...
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On what basis though? You must have first hand experience of having both?
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No. I've seen dyno charts. I've had my TFSI like 3 weeks. Prior to that I had a diesel which originally was breathed on by Rtech, and they were the only company after spending 20 minutes researching, who were worth visiting.
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In that case, i guess we all bow down to your infinite experience of the 2.0TFSI :confused:
rich83:
Well to be fair.... if you get a REVO map on offer at a trade stand then thats what you are getting. (they will just load it with "safe" settings)
If you pay a trip to Daventry REVO HQ then every car is logged and tested and adjusted accordingly
REVO is not an inferior product... lets just settle that one shall we. :happy2:
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