MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => How to Guides / Troubleshooting => Topic started by: bodger00 on July 05, 2010, 08:13:01 pm
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Ok so I havent done this yet but once I can source all the bits. I'm going to do this. Big thanks for the guidance of Darkk and Craig who without their help I wouldn't have figured this out. Most of this has been ripped from their guide so big thanks to them.
So if you have purchased the OEM Valeo rear lights then you will have noticed that the inner lights (the two on the hatch) are not LED's. There is a hole for them but nothing else meaning you have to put up with the standard bulbs. This how to allows you to modify these inner lights to create something special!
Like this:
"Ok so here goes.....the parts/tools you will need:
626 nm red leds X 20ea.
120 ohm resistors ¼ watt X 8ea. Solid core wire,#18 gauge
A couple of feet of misc. heat shrink tubing
Hot glue gun
Hot air gun
Electrical tape
Masking tape
Tube clear silicone sealer
Soldering iron
Solder Wire cutters
Pair needle nose pliers
One medium flat tip screw driver
One pair Valeo LED inner backup light assemblies
AND some giant knackers to have the bravery to open them up :signLOL:
First pry open the housing. I used a medium sized flat tip screwdriver. Slide the tip between the lens and the back housing. “DO NOT” turn the screw driver like you are removing a screw. Pry it like you are opening a can of paint. Be gentle pry very slowly until you hear soft cracking. This will be the lens cracking loose from the housing. I went around several times.
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When the lens comes loose, separate the inner chrome housing from the main housing. On the rear you will see 3 pinch tabs sticking thru the main housing. Squeeze and push hard. Pain in the ass time. When it separates, mark the inner so you know the direction when it goes back in.
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Not much to it is there?
Looking at the back of the inner chrome housing. You can see there are two long pointed legs. These legs stick thru two holes in the main housing to align things for assembly. Next, flip the chrome housing over so you are looking at the back. There are 20 small flat pads that you are going to drill out for the leds. Drill a small hole first then a larger hole for the 5mm leds. At this point you are going to realize that you just drilled thru those two pointed long legs. Just trim them off. You are going to use the holes they were in to run your led wires out of. Several of the holes are going to need to be leveled off to be the same height as all the rest.
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Now set the leds in the holes you just drilled. You will need to bend one leg back and one forward. You are going to solder 5 leds together negative leg to positive leg alternating.
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You are going to make 4 sets of 5 led lights to a string with one resistor on each string.
This is what each string will look like out of the housing.
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This is in the housing. Be careful not to scratch the front of the housing. When this is done, you will start grouping the strings together by soldering on wire extensions. You will connect all the negative terminals together and the ends of all the resistors. The wire MUST be wrapped very close to the sides. There is very little room to work with here. I ran the positive on the outsides and the negative as a bare wire on the inside edge of the edge. I secured everything with touches of hot glue to keep things in line.
Here is what the finished product looks like.
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Notice the two lead wires are close together. You can just barely see the inner bare negative wire on the inner part of the lens. Next, I would suggest you insulate the main housing where the leds are going to touch when the housings are put back together. I used electrical tape. Trim it to the same width as the flat back area of the main housing and apply it there or, you could also just tape the back of the new lamp assembly over the bare led terminals instead.
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Now push the inner chrome assembly back into the main housing. Be sure to line things up. This will take a little time, things are very snug. You may have to separate it and try more than once.
Here is the inner led housing installed into the main housing
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Install the lens, then use silicone sealant to seal it up.
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Here it is all assembled and lit up at 12 volts. To wire into your car, it’s just two wires. One negative and one positive.
Extra info:
The Skyline effect will only operate correctly if the user is already wired and coded for AMBER Operation.
The outer Ring of the fender mounted Tails is lit, and the center section is dark, BYTE 09 = Hex 00, or 0% power, and it goes to 100% Power when the brakes are applied. The Center Section, Brake Light as a Tail Light is PIN 4 of the Tail Light Connector, Black/Red on the Driver’s side, and Black/Violet on the Passenger side.
If you double tap onto these wires, and you want the trunk mounted LEDs to light up as Tail Lights, then the Center Ring will have to stay at HEX 0A, or 10% power which will kill the Skyline Tail Light effect.
For the SkyLine effect
The desired choice is to tap into the Outer Ring of Red LEDs on the fender mounted tails, PIN 2 of the Tail Light connector, Gray/Black* on the Driver’s side, and Gray/Yellow* on the Passenger side. Combine this suggestion with a code of HEX 00 for BYTE 09, and the outer ring of RED LEDs on the fender mounted LEDs will light up as driving Lights, and the “ghost” ring of your modified tails will light up giving you the O\o----o/O look that defines the SkyLine Tail."
I need to work out what all this means but if your like me your now saying wow that looks cool but can I do it....... :scared:
Enjoy all :happy2:
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Personally I prefer them with only the outside as indicators and the inner ring always on or as brake lights.
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excellent DIY, but where do i find one that will do it for me ? :grin:
Really looking forward to hearing how it went for you :drinking:
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sounds like its going to be good. I would like to see it in the fleshat dusk time to see if they match the oem ones. :happy2:
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Have been discussing how to get my inner tails converted with a friend who is a car audio/electrical specialist and he can do it no problem. He's already done all my aftermarket electricals (also on my BMW) so I'm confident in him.
At last night's forum meet, Neo (cmdrfire) made an excellent suggestion: Substitute the fog lens for another reversing lens so that I have twin reversing lights. Use dual strength capable red LED bulbs in the rings and so I get twin extra rear sidelights which turn into twin rear fogs when I use the oem rear foglight switch as normal.
My VW dealer always does my MOT and can make sure I get the appropriate strength light output to pass MOT. Their affiliated accident repair workshop will look out for a damaged Mk5 Golf tail unit with the reversing lens intact I can remove and use. Their Parts Manager tells me that it's not available as a separate component.
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So, yet another mod in progress :happy2:
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The Center Section, Brake Light as a Tail Light is PIN 4 of the Tail Light Connector, Black/Red on the Driver’s side, and Black/Violet on the Passenger side.
....I assume that as the original How-to comes from America, our driver's/passenger's sides are the opposite wherever it is referenced.
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The Center Section, Brake Light as a Tail Light is PIN 4 of the Tail Light Connector, Black/Red on the Driver’s side, and Black/Violet on the Passenger side.
....I assume that as the original How-to comes from America, our driver's/passenger's sides are the opposite wherever it is referenced.
Correct :happy2:
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Have been further discussing with my electrical friend today and he says he has spoken to the MOT station today, they have said that for as long as there is a fog light on the right-hand side of the car with the light indicator on the dash, I should be ok. As for brightness the fog lights should be as bright as or brighter than the brake lights when brakes are applied.
He has found a LED with Red and Yellow parts to it. So we should be able to have indicator, brake, side light and fog in each tailgate unit. At the moment it is only a guess on whether the colours would be a match so he would have to order samples in to play with. The twin reversing lights are simples as only a clear lens is needed to substitute the existing fog.
I'm now very excited! :party:
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Have been further discussing with my electrical friend today and he says he has spoken to the MOT station today, they have said that for as long as there is a fog light on the right-hand side of the car with the light indicator on the dash, I should be ok. As for brightness the fog lights should be as bright as or brighter than the brake lights when brakes are applied.
He has found a LED with Red and Yellow parts to it. So we should be able to have indicator, brake, side light and fog in each tailgate unit. At the moment it is only a guess on whether the colours would be a match so he would have to order samples in to play with. The twin reversing lights are simples as only a clear lens is needed to substitute the existing fog.
I'm now very excited! :party:
you have told him he has to make more than one set right?? :evilgrin:
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Should have renamed this how to LED lights - Veyron Style!
If you saw Top gear on Sunday you'll know what I mean.
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Should have renamed this how to LED lights - Veyron Style!
If you saw Top gear on Sunday you'll know what I mean.
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it looked the dogs :drool:
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Should have renamed this how to LED lights - Veyron Style!
If you saw Top gear on Sunday you'll know what I mean.
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^ Niiiice! :drool: :drool: :party: :drool: :drool:
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Should have renamed this how to LED lights - Veyron Style!
If you saw Top gear on Sunday you'll know what I mean.
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^ Niiiice! :drool: :drool: :party: :drool: :drool:
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Veyron = VAG = VW parts bin? I wonder if :grin:
I bet they're made by Valeo in any event.
Must give electrics Chris a call.. I'm getting impatient to progress mine :party:
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Nice mod! but i'd need someone to make them for me :laugh:
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Nice mod! but i'd need someone to make them for me :laugh:
X2 :wink: RR :smiley:
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Nice mod! but i'd need someone to make them for me :laugh:
X2 :wink: RR :smiley:
x3 could see this being a great money earner for someone who knows what they are doing!!! Defienetly on my mods to do list!!!!
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Nice mod! but i'd need someone to make them for me :laugh:
X2 :wink: RR :smiley:
x3 could see this being a great money earner for someone who knows what they are doing!!! Defienetly on my mods to do list!!!!
....I'll have a word about the possibility.
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Interested on the outcome.
Would be a mega sweet mod to the led lights.
Just need someone with a steady hand and patience.
Wouldn't trust my skills.
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Nice mod! but i'd need someone to make them for me :laugh:
X2 :wink: RR :smiley:
x3 could see this being a great money earner for someone who knows what they are doing!!! Defienetly on my mods to do list!!!!
....I'll have a word about the possibility.
....I've had a word and he may be up for doing more but wants to complete mine first so he knows exactly what to do. I'll keep you guys informed.
[Thanks for the Thank You, Jake :drinking:]
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Nice mod! but i'd need someone to make them for me :laugh:
X2 :wink: RR :smiley:
x3 could see this being a great money earner for someone who knows what they are doing!!! Defienetly on my mods to do list!!!!
....I'll have a word about the possibility.
....I've had a word and he may be up for doing more but wants to complete mine first so he knows exactly what to do. I'll keep you guys informed.
[Thanks for the Thank You, Jake :drinking:]
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The Center Section, Brake Light as a Tail Light is PIN 4 of the Tail Light Connector, Black/Red on the Driver’s side, and Black/Violet on the Passenger side.
....I assume that as the original How-to comes from America, our driver's/passenger's sides are the opposite wherever it is referenced.
Red - apologies for some reason I have obviously misread your post :ashamed:. The how to guide was from an American forum but the writer of the guide is from Australia and if im not mistaken they are on the same side of the road as us :signLOL:
Mine have arrived now and I'm itching to do it or to get someone else to do it :grin:
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Mine have arrived now and I'm itching to do it or to get someone else to do it :grin:
....My mate has ordered LED samples and they're due any day now. He'll do mine and then know if he'll take on a batch for you guys.
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Mine have arrived now and I'm itching to do it or to get someone else to do it :grin:
....My mate has ordered LED samples and they're due any day now. He'll do mine and then know if he'll take on a batch for you guys.
excellent, really looking forward to seeing it on yours RR :popcornsoda:
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It will be interesting to here how your guy gets on.
Wondering if wire needs to be chased from the outside tail unit to the tail gate unit for the new leds to be in sync with each other.
All waiting on you RR.
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Think I'm getting out of my depth now :confused: :confused:
Trying to resolve the led dual lighting I.e brighter when braking. Do I need to get some kind of variable resistor or can it all be controlled through vcds? Like in the how to? Anyone with vcds know?
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^ Original inners re-installed today while my LED versions are being customised. All looking good and workable so far.
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Just an update to say I spoke to my mate Chris today and he's done one of them and hopes to finish them in the next 7-10 days. All is looking good, he says.
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Just an update to say I spoke to my mate Chris today and he's done one of them and hopes to finish them in the next 7-10 days. All is looking good, he says.
excellent news :happy2:
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I know this mod is about LED but would it be possible to do it with standards
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I know this mod is about LED but would it be possible to do it with standards
....I don't think so as it relies on multi-coloured LED bulbs and also there's no provision for fitting the bulbs in the standard light units.
Those Valeo tails look good on Laser Blue :evilgrin: - cmdrfire has that combo.
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shame theres noway to get a bulb in
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shame theres noway to get a bulb in
....As far as I know.
But I don't know everything.
The Valeo's are designed for this LED mod we're doing. I don't know why VW gave up on these tails either for the GTI Mk5 or without using the functional LED mouldings.
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I like the LED versions but its not a mod i want to do on mine
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Cant wait to see your results Robin. :popcornsoda:
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Adding the LED's was one of the best mods ive done.
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I've seen led lights on the golf plus (i think it was) are these the same or are they different? Really want to do this mod!!! Awaiting RRs next instalment :party:
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I've seen led lights on the golf plus (i think it was) are these the same or are they different? Really want to do this mod!!! Awaiting RRs next instalment :party:
....Yes, both the Golf Plus and Passat have the same style LED lights but the casings are different shapes.
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^ VW Golf ^
I'd love to know why they didn't make it onto the Mk5 Golf's production line.
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I haven't mentioned it to any of the guys who attend the Berks/Hampshire meets yet but I'm going to ask one of them to vid my new tails - They should be ready in time for the September meet as long as my friend doesn't get crazy busy with normal work.
I'll post a link here to my new thread when it's ready.
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RR,
im guessing that is your leds in the 3 comparison pics? is it just the pic or are your outer lights tinted on the clear rings, if so is that a mod as ive never seen the leds with tints before and that is what is holding me off buying the led units, i'd want tinted clear bits
Cheers
James
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RR,
im guessing that is your leds in the 3 comparison pics? is it just the pic or are your outer lights tinted on the clear rings, if so is that a mod as ive never seen the leds with tints before and that is what is holding me off buying the led units, i'd want tinted clear bits
Cheers
James
....Hi James,
I think it's just the LED bulbs giving a darker effect. We'll see how they compare when my inner (boot lid) units have the new LED bulbs fitted... Soon :happy2:
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James,
As standard the LED Valeo lights look tinted to an extent.
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James,
As standard the LED Valeo lights look tinted to an extent.
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....I specifically had a look at them today and think it's because the outer units have their LED bulb mounts deeply recessed.
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It's probably just my eyes Robin :laugh: :laugh:
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I haven't mentioned it to any of the guys who attend the Berks/Hampshire meets yet but I'm going to ask one of them to vid my new tails - They should be ready in time for the September meet as long as my friend doesn't get crazy busy with normal work.
I'll post a link here to my new thread when it's ready.
Come on RR, I have just fitted a set of LED lights to my CW GTi - they do look nice, just want to do the inner two now :wink:
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As I said, mine are being done by a mate inbetween his other job commitments. Also, some bad news: Cracked a lens during opening one of the units, so there's a delay. Good news is that he's able to get just the broken component replaced but it has to come from Germany.
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I'd definitely be interested in having a go at this / paying somebody to do it for me. Not really sure why there aren't LEDs in there in the first place.
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I too love the idea of this and would definately be up for getting mine done! Keep us posted RR! :happy2:
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As I said, mine are being done by a mate inbetween his other job commitments. Also, some bad news: Cracked a lens during opening one of the units, so there's a delay. Good news is that he's able to get just the broken component replaced but it has to come from Germany.
Sorry to hear that but at least its getting sorted. TBH that's why I haven't set on with it yet too much risk of me cracking the lens. Best to pay someone to do it. Keep us all updated :happy2:
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Latest update:
My mate Chris is making sure that whatever we do will pass an MOT (good thinking). Consequently, as currently on the workbench when having twin rear foglights, they override the extra LED indicators on the inner (bootlid mounted) units only. But we want all four indicator lights to action even if the two rear fogs are on. So he's having to create some microchip circuitry - Not a problem for him but just a delay.
We're confident we're going to get there but this first one is throwing up what needs solving - Guinea Pigging.
Btw, he tells me that apparently in Canada it is not allowed to alter oem lights in any way whatsoever. Australia has restrictions on aftermarket wheels, so perhaps we're better off than we realise in the UK... About some things.
He's also been telling me about new laser trap speed 'cams' in mainland Europe but he has found a (currently) legal workaround.
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slightly off topic :ashamed:
Do LED rear lights need to be programmed via VAGCOM or are they plug and play like R32 rear lights?
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Do LED rear lights need to programmed via VAGCOM or are they plug and play like R32 rear lights?
....Plug-n-Play, mate - Like other good things.
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Do LED rear lights need to programmed via VAGCOM or are they plug and play like R32 rear lights?
....Plug-n-Play, mate - Like other good things.
Thanks Robin :happy2:
are you by anychance going to VW Players on 19th or Westside Show 26th? would love to see how your lights look in person on best colour GTI's you can get :wink:
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are you by anychance going to VW Players on 19th or Westside Show 26th? would love to see how your lights look in person on best colour GTI's you can get :wink:
....Not going to either as I'm more into 'Go' than 'Show' (although I enjoy the social). Also, I'm based in the SouthWest. But anyway, my tail lights won't be finished and plugged in yet.
Santa Pod forum meet in October?
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are you by anychance going to VW Players on 19th or Westside Show 26th? would love to see how your lights look in person on best colour GTI's you can get :wink:
....Not going to either as I'm more into 'Go' than 'Show' (although I enjoy the social). Also, I'm based in the SouthWest. But anyway, my tail lights won't be finished and plugged in yet.
Santa Pod forum meet in October?
ok no problem Robin thanks for the info :happy2:
Yes going to forum meet, so see you there :happy2:
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But we want all four indicator lights to action even if the two rear fogs are on. So he's having to create some microchip circuitry - Not a problem for him but just a delay.
Now Robin you have me confused :surprised:(I know it’s not difficult) I expected you to have the inner lights just lighting red, when you have the side lights on.
I have this on the my other car, an Audi A4 Avant and wasn't expecting the indicators to flash as well it’s no wonder your auto electrician is pulling his hair out :rolleye:
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He's not pulling his hair out, Eccie - Some of it was his idea! I know him well and he's enjoying it and wouldn't take it on otherwise. I just gotta be patient and let him fit the work in amongst the work that comes in through his shopfront. I'm always in at the backdoor to the workshop.
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My mate Chris is still working on this between paying jobs and it's additionally taking time because he's rightly taking the attitude that whatever we do must be 100% legal and pass MOT. For example, the rear fogs must override all other functions of those particular LED bulbs. Things like microprocessors are involved. So I'm being patient and in the knowledge that it'll be 100% right when complete. It won't be ready in time for Santa Pod.
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Very much looking forward to the finished set. :pomppomp:
I've just ordered a set from the states but got my sums wrong so mine will probably be the most expensive set on a golf @£285 :ashamed:
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Is that £285 with them modded?
Or just standard???
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Very much looking forward to the finished set. :pomppomp:
I've just ordered a set from the states but got my sums wrong so mine will probably be the most expensive set on a golf @£285 :ashamed:
I've been looking about for some, and that seems about the going rate :stupid: just as long as you dont get stung for import tax :confused:
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Very much looking forward to the finished set. :pomppomp:
I've just ordered a set from the states but got my sums wrong so mine will probably be the most expensive set on a golf @£285 :ashamed:
I've been looking about for some, and that seems about the going rate :stupid: just as long as you dont get stung for import tax :confused:
....I think it's cheaper to buy them from Europe. Plus you don't pay import tax.
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Got my r32 leds for £250 ebayde and there are often the normal ones on there for around £225.
Saw a set of brand new standard ones go on ebay for £150 the other day, although someone on there is selling them at £350 :surprised:
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Got my r32 leds for £250 ebayde and there are often the normal ones on there for around £225.
Saw a set of brand new standard ones go on ebay for £150 the other day, although someone on there is selling them at £350 :surprised:
I notice in a couple of threads you mention standard l.e.d's and R32 type l.e.d.'s have you got pics of the 2 types, as i thought there was only one type, with the red outer lens matching the darker Ed/R32 type. :happy2:
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Top cat, there are def two types. RR has the standard cherry red type and i think at one point actually had the inners from his original lights and the led outers. Ill sort out some photos when i get in later.
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Top cat, there are def two types. RR has the standard cherry red type and i think at one point actually had the inners from his original lights and the led outers. Ill sort out some photos when i get in later.
I know there are 2 types a lighter one for the GTI and a darker version for the Ed/R32 but not in the LED version there isn't, the led outers only come in one colour, the darker red. :happy2:
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I had the choice when i ordered mine! standard red or smoked/r32/ed30. I payed more for the darker leds ove the standard cherry red.
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I had the choice when i ordered mine! standard red or smoked/r32/ed30. I payed more for the darker leds ove the standard cherry red.
Well if we are talking the l.e.d version, then i never new that. I thought there was only one colour of the Valeo oem l.e.d.s. :happy2:
I thought we were getting our wires crossed. :ashamed:
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I'm not convinced there are different colours. The same seller on ebay has them listed as loads of different names, and they all have the same photos attached, and all have massive price differences
I have emailed the sellers to find out. :stupid:
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God only knows T.C!!
Iv confused myself! :stupid: All i know is when i ordered mine on ebayde the seller asked if i wanted standard red or smoked.
The difference was 20euro so i went for the smoked as i thought they would look better on a blue graphite car.
Mine are definatly Valeo units.
@ heavyd i paid 279 euro plus 18 euro shipping for mine and he said he had 'red' ones for 259 euro plus shipping.
Iv just checked and i cant find the same seller on ebayde.
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Hopefully they'll get back to me and we get a definitive answer :happy2:
I'm was gonna order some today but you've put a spanner in teh works now! I must admit, all the pictures that I've found of them have been the same colour?
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Sorry mate,
Ill be pretty gutted too because a new set went unsold on ebay when i was after mine. I mailed the seller and could of had them for £150.
When i asked him for photos they 'looked' as if they werent as dark. So i let them go and ordered from germany. I only had this smoked/unsmoked business in my mind because of the seller on ebayde!
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I'm fairly confident that Valeo (for VW) only produce them in the darker 'cherry' red. My mate Chris who is working on converting mine has been in direct contact with Valeo through the trade.
Currently I'm running on mixed: Valeo LED outer units and OEM GTI (not Ed30/R32) inner units while Chris is playing with my Valeo inners.
Full Valeo:
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fb308%2FRedRobin_05%2FLED_closeup1.jpg&hash=07c33d0390c097dca99ac1a483e2a25c1dac4d6a)
Mixed Valeo with OEM (temporary):
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Well i stand corrected :ashamed:
Just cant see why the ebayde seller gave me the option??
Looks like i lost out on a bargain too :sick:
apologies to T.C
@ RR i found a guy on vw vortex that does the inner conversion with oem smd leds. Hes done quite a few sets of jetta and passat rears, so am thinking of getting him to do mine.
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@ RR i found a guy on vw vortex that does the inner conversion with oem smd leds. Hes done quite a few sets of jetta and passat rears, so am thinking of getting him to do mine.
....Depending on exactly what functions you go for, just make absolutely sure that they'll pass UK's MOT otherwise the whole exercise could end up being particularly expensive. Let us know how you get on :happy2:.
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bought a set off ebay.de :scared:
£263 was the cheapest I could get them for, the private sellers wouldnt ship to ze english unfortunately :sad1:
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RR he can do the inners with dual intensity red leds for stop/tail lights or dual red/amber leds for tail/indicator Im thinking of going for the former.
Four indicators flashing is a bit OTT IMO. Ill def check on the MOT side of things first. :happy2:
@heavyd to be honest youll be happy whatever you end up paying, it sorts out the rear of the car and makes it safer! What more could you want?!
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I eventually got an email back, there is definetly only one colour available, so that sorts that out :happy2:
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Well received my £285 Leds yesterday (payed no import duty :happy2:) Just waiting on RR's updates on getting inner led mod.
Just out of interest is there no way of modifying a passat inner led fit? Haven't checked the sizes but they look similar size???
I could of course be completely incorrect :ashamed:
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RR he can do the inners with dual intensity red leds for stop/tail lights or dual red/amber leds for tail/indicator Im thinking of going for the former.
Four indicators flashing is a bit OTT IMO. Ill def check on the MOT side of things first. :happy2:
@heavyd to be honest youll be happy whatever you end up paying, it sorts out the rear of the car and makes it safer! What more could you want?!
I've done a search but cant find his info on VWvortex how much does he charge?
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Just waiting on RR's updates on getting inner led mod.
Just out of interest is there no way of modifying a passat inner led fit? Haven't checked the sizes but they look similar size???
I could of course be completely incorrect :ashamed:
....Sorry it's taking time - It's just the circumstances in which mine are being done: A very trusted friend who knows what he's doing but is always in demand. I'll post any updates as and when they happen.
Do the Passat's inner positioned LED units function? I thought that like the Valeo Golf's, they didn't (hence our mods).
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Just waiting on RR's updates on getting inner led mod.
Just out of interest is there no way of modifying a passat inner led fit? Haven't checked the sizes but they look similar size???
I could of course be completely incorrect :ashamed:
....Sorry it's taking time - It's just the circumstances in which mine are being done: A very trusted friend who knows what he's doing but is always in demand. I'll post any updates as and when they happen.
Do the Passat's inner positioned LED units function? I thought that like the Valeo Golf's, they didn't (hence our mods).
You are most likely right, I just thought i'd ask the question and get someone who knows a bit more to answer, cheers RR.
Would of been handy if they did work and fitted tho :laugh:
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It certainly might help if we knew for certain about the Passat functionality. I posted earlier in this thread some side by side comparitive pics of 'our' Golf LED tails with Golf Plus and Passat tails. All different sizes. I'm pretty sure the Golf Plus doesn't have any of the LED functionality we are so interested in.
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RR did you get the info i sent you via pm???
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@ apollo13:
I got your PM but without a link and I forgot to ask you for it.
I'll check it out and also point Chris in that direction too. Thank You :drinking:
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I got my lights off ebay.de, arrived in 2 days, and they were the same colour red as my edition 30 tailslights.
They do look better, but could definetly do with some changes to the tailgate sections where they look a bit too 'lexus' like!
Hope you can get somewhere with your mod Red Robin :happy2:
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I checked out a Passat this morning: They also have the moulded part ready to house LED bulbs but none are fitted.... Volksweird!
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My inner lights should arrive with my bloke middle of next week so hopefully have them back early week after next. Iv decided to go for twin reverse lights and the outer ring to do tail light, brake and twin fogs!
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My inner lights should arrive with my bloke middle of next week so hopefully have them back early week after next. Iv decided to go for twin reverse lights and the outer ring to do tail light, brake and twin fogs!
....So whereabouts is this being done? In the UK?
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No RR theyre not being done in the U.K, so just got to wait :popcornsoda:
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No RR theyre not being done in the U.K, so just got to wait :popcornsoda:
Just out of interest how much is it costing? PM me if you want?
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Im not actually sure at the moment! Its not cheap but not ridiculous either.
Im having a few other bits off him and hes doing my dads passat cc inners too so trying to do a deal. :happy2:
I should have them back soon so ill post all costs photos ect when their back. :popcornsoda:
The mods are done with osram leds which are what they use in the oem outers so they match perfectly.
Hes work is first class, iv read many posts to back this up on vw vortex.
Lee.
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Just a little update for anyone thats interested, :grin:
My inners have arrived and hopefully should have them back sometime next week. In the mean time iv been in contact with dana at ross tech to try and and sort out the coding.
The coding will only really be needed if like me you dont want to chop/splice into the cars wiring and if you want to have twin reverse lights and twin fogs using the new led rings. If you dont mind doing that and having one reverse and one fog as normal then its pretty straight forward to splice into the relevant wires at the connections to the outer clusters.
Ill post any news as i get it. :popcornsoda:
Lee.
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Keep us posted :happy2:
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I wish my mate Chris would hurry up with mine!
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@RR
:P
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@ apollo:
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2FRedRobin_05%2FRR%2FRED_RRfinger.jpg&hash=78e072a83a93cca4583782d036657adc56e8eb6a)
:laugh:
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Thats slightly more subtle than i was expecting!!!!! :signLOL:
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Thats slightly more subtle than i was expecting!!!!! :signLOL:
....I always try to meet people's expectations :evilgrin: :
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2FDetailing%2FStickers%2Fmiddle_finger.jpg&hash=6fd779b87d5ef9c15383342706d900b4a4b12491)
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:signLOL:
I knew you wouldnt let me down!!! :grin:
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I know this mod is about LED but would it be possible to do it with standards
it can be done, but not using LEDs though :wink:
DIY for standard MK5 lights :happy2:
http://www.golfmkv.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1428780&postcount=205
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Hi guys and gals,
I was hoping to be updating with a nice photo of my freshly modded inner units but they havnt arrived yet! :fighting:
They have been dispatched so just got to wait a little longer. In the mean time I have got myself a bunch of repair wires and connectors to make up two sets of looms which will enable me to connect the inners in various different ways.
Originally I was going to leave the outer clusters as they are out of the box and use the inners a follows.
Lose the foglight and have the two centre sections as twin reverse lights and have the new LED rings as stop,tail and twin fogs.
But since I have sent them away I have learned that you can code the outer clusters in such a way that you can turn OFF the centre section. This as we know is the brake/tail light but if the inners took over the function of brake and tail and I go back to having one reverse and one fog as normal I will end up with the true skyline Oo-oO look were all after.
By the way I havnt tried this yet as I took the LEDS off when i sent the inners away so was going to have a go tommorrow but if anyone has vcds and fancies a go tonight let me know!!
As soon as I hear anything you will too.
Lee.
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Hi guys,
I have just received an email, they were not sent! The guy has apparently had a few personal problems and they will be getting posted out on Monday. :pomppomp:
Ill let you know when they arrive.
Lee.
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Any updates? :popcornsoda:
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Not yet.
Im not happy but as he says hes been having personal problems I don't want to fly of the handle......yet.
As soon as I know you guys will know :happy2:
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This thread is getting long so it may have been said before :ashamed:
I noticed that the Passat CC has all four tail lights lit up :confused: wasn't following it long enough to see what came on when they hit the brakes
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An update from me:
We've hit a barrier at the moment but haven't given up yet. We want to use Osram LEDs (as VW do) so colour matches oem and we need a 'board' (whatever that is).
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'Board' as in circuit board RR. :happy2:
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Their here............
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fm520%2Fapoll013%2FDSC01244.jpg&hash=72ed3973cd97ee32dbd70b5d25bc366f6ecafa6b)
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Do they use Osram LEDs like VW use, Lee?
What's the score now? Simple plug and play? Board involved?
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Yes they use Osram LEDS.
No its not 'plug and play' because there are a few different ways of connecting these up but the level of difficulty depends on what functions you want the inners to perform.
As you can see from the photos there are 4 trailing leads from each unit. One for 'tail' 'fog' 'brake' and 'ground'.
These can either be spliced into the main loom at each outer tail light at the relevant points or joined together in the boot lid and then spliced at one of the outer tailights.
Or if you want twin reverse lights you can use the existing fog light feed and with some coding get the inners to perform 'tail' 'brake' and 'fog' functions. Then you'll have to link the left reverse light over to the right hand side.
I will provide more details about how I will wire them up with pictures at the weekend so Im afraid more waiting!!
Lee.
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Iv just hooked these up to a spare battery I had and I must say I'm impressed :happy2:
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Iv just hooked these up to a spare battery I had and I must say I'm impressed :happy2:
....Stop teasing us!
Based on your info (big thanks) Chris and I are going to give up on the extra indicator function as it seems to be the more difficult part to get right for MOT etc. We've just got to work out a way of mounting the Osram LEDs.
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Good decision..
The dual colour LED's are alot more work as far as the circuit boards go because you need two seperate circuits. I know he used 'flexible' circuit board in these inners as the space is sooooo tight compared to the Jetta and Passat inners which you can get away with 'rigid' circuit boards.
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Hi guys,
Well Iv fitted them. Not had a chance to play around with the coding yet but Iv run out of time today as Im off out but I also changed my can gateway and fitted vw bluetooth and RNS 510.
The colours match perfectly but they look slightly different as the reflectors in the inners are different to the outers and dont reflect in the same pattern. The outer reflectors have alot more 'facets' (sp).
Ill do a better write up when I have more time...
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fm520%2Fapoll013%2FDSC01270.jpg&hash=a20b018bef68f46d7ddaae9963c36206cb32d479)
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fm520%2Fapoll013%2FDSC01268.jpg&hash=543cf798e4f827e22191e766c2a20472d088c476)
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fm520%2Fapoll013%2FDSC01272.jpg&hash=561befd56ea74174eaf435531e1b5f87f4979e54)
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fm520%2Fapoll013%2FDSC01273.jpg&hash=f9be2b33777460aa5ae44b03619ec8d13624db2e)
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Can't wait to see a video of yours! :evilgrin: Have I already asked how much you paid to get these done?
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Bodger,
They cost me about £150 in total, thats with paying postage to and from Romania.
Unfortunately he's not willing to do anymore of these conversions as the Golf versions are too much work. He will carry on doing the Jetta and Passat inners though.
All hopes lie with Robins mate. I have given him all the info I have and am sure he'll figure it out soon enough. I'll do a video tomorrow night. :happy2:
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Thanks for being a soldier and leading the way, Lee :drinking:
All we have to do is sort out making some carriers for the Osram LEDs. Not easy but we ain't giving up just yet!
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No problem :happy2:
If you need any more info mate just ask, I'll try and help if I can.
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Well I have had a play around with the coding tonight and finally got them how I want them :happy2:
I have managed to turn off the centre portion of the outer lights but only in their taillight function so they will still illuminate when you use the brakes.I can't see any problems with MOT as I have only added light and they are set to the same intensity as the outer lights through VCDS.The outers only appear brighter because of the extra reflector housing.
Its hard to get a decent photo as their so bright but you get the idea.
So as it stands now this is what it looks like when I have my headlights on.
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fm520%2Fapoll013%2FDSC01279.jpg&hash=3a70749d5a6daac2481a734dc17d1c7080a37583)
I will do a video but unless my arms and legs suddenly decided to take on a growth spirt I'll have to wait for the missus to lend a hand. :drinking:
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Looks excellent :congrats:
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Looking good, Lee :congrats: :congrats: :congrats: :congrats:
So, to recap, you now have:
- Quad red lights.
- Quad brake lights.
- Twin fog lights?
- Twin reversing lights?
- No extra indicators/hazards.
AFAIK the MOT will test the intensity values of the lights and that any rear fog will override and will only be able to be activated if your other lights are on.
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Thanks guys :happy2:
Here is a break down of how they stand at the moment.
When the headlights are off and the brakes are applied I have,
Inners rings bright, Outer rings bright, Outer centres bright and high level brake light.
When the headlights/sidelights are on I have,
Inner rings on, Outer rings on, Outer centres off.
And when the head/sidelights are on and I apply the brakes I have,
Inner rings bright, Outer rings bright, Outer centres bright and high level brake light.
I still have the single reverse and fog as normal and twin indicators as normal too. I could of gone for twin reverse and used the inner rings as fogs too but to be honest I could'nt be arsed!! As it involved more wiring and a fair bit of coding and to be honest for the amount of time the fog light gets used it wasnt worth it, but I might have a play when the weather warms up a bit!!
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Thanks guys :happy2:
Here is a break down of how they stand at the moment.
When the headlights are off and the brakes are applied I have,
Inners rings bright, Outer rings bright, Outer centres bright and high level brake light.
When the headlights/sidelights are on I have,
Inner rings on, Outer rings on, Outer centres off.
And when the head/sidelights are on and I apply the brakes I have,
Inner rings bright, Outer rings bright, Outer centres bright and high level brake light.
I still have the single reverse and fog as normal and twin indicators as normal too. I could of gone for twin reverse and used the inner rings as fogs too but to be honest I could'nt be arsed!! As it involved more wiring and a fair bit of coding and to be honest for the amount of time the fog light gets used it wasnt worth it, but I might have a play when the weather warms up a bit!!
Excellent job there, when are you taking orders??? :xmaspresent:
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Hi Jake ,
I'm afraid I cannot take to credit for modding the inners, only wiring them up and finding out the correct coding. :rolleye:
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@ Jake:
Once my mate Chris has sorted mine out plus some coding info from Lee (apollo13), he may be interested in taking orders. Watch this space but don't hold your breath! :happy2:
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Anyone know where we can buy the Valeo LED rear lights from?
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Anyone know where we can buy the Valeo LED rear lights from?
I bought mine from here and they were delivered within a week. Dont be put off that they are from Germany. :happy2:
http://www.kunzmann.de/shop/en/tuning-styling-vw-golf-5-v-led-rear-lights-set-candy-red-for-vw-golf-5-v.htm
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Anyone know where we can buy the Valeo LED rear lights from?
I bought mine from here and they were delivered within a week. Dont be put off that they are from Germany. :happy2:
http://www.kunzmann.de/shop/en/tuning-styling-vw-golf-5-v-led-rear-lights-set-candy-red-for-vw-golf-5-v.htm
Cheers Bodger. Do the reverse and fog lights need switching over? I know there are many guides out there but it's out of my depth I'm afraid :sad1:
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The connector is plug and play but yes you do need to swap around the inners.
See here for more details:
http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,4469.0.html
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Hi all (especially Robin)
The car went in for M.O.T this morning and.......................passed no problems at all. :pomppomp:
Just for reference I removed the red filter from the fog light for a more even look so needed a reb bulb to use instead. I used a osram diadem red bulb which is silver but lights red much the same as the silvered indicator bulbs you can get thus retaining the look.
These bulbs are used in the new range rovers ect as they have full clear lenses on the rear.
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Hi all (especially Robin)
The car went in for M.O.T this morning and.......................passed no problems at all. :pomppomp:
Just for reference I removed the red filter from the fog light for a more even look so needed a reb bulb to use instead. I used a osram diadem red bulb which is silver but lights red much the same as the silvered indicator bulbs you can get thus retaining the look.
These bulbs are used in the new range rovers ect as they have full clear lenses on the rear.
Have you a link to the bulb you used, i dont have one in mine yet. :happy2:
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Hi all (especially Robin)
The car went in for M.O.T this morning and.......................passed no problems at all. :pomppomp:
Just for reference I removed the red filter from the fog light for a more even look so needed a reb bulb to use instead. I used a osram diadem red bulb which is silver but lights red much the same as the silvered indicator bulbs you can get thus retaining the look.
These bulbs are used in the new range rovers ect as they have full clear lenses on the rear.
Have you a link to the bulb you used, i dont have one in mine yet. :happy2:
Sorry for the delay T.C here you go. Free P+P :grin:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/NEW-OSRAM-DIADEM-RED-PR21W-REAR-FOG-LIGHT-BULB-382R-/170567203506?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item27b698fab2
Alot of dosh for a bulb but most of the red bulbs out there are not 'E' marked, most are just standard bulbs dipped in red 'paint' that just flakes of after a while.
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Just noticed this. Was thinking the other day to make a PCB that does this instead of using discrete components, but it looks like someone has beaten me. Is the other PCB one available?
Other option is I might have a go at making mine and then get some PCBs made from one of these batch processing houses. We use the same colour surface mount LEDs at work so I know the part number for 'em.
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Hey, Neo!
It's now after christmas and time I spoke to my mate Chris about mine and hence possibly for others. I thinks it's acquiring the PCB to mount Osrams he's currently stuck on, so I'll PM or phone you. As I understand it from Lee (apollo13), his Hungarian source won't continue supply. You might just be the missing jigsaw piece which makes it all happen.
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Ive been trying to find the thread about the circuit boards from the guy that made them, he had pics etc and i remember him saying he wouldnt be doing anymore, might be able to get some board details off him to get some alternative supplier to make some.
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Ive been trying to find the thread about the circuit boards from the guy that made them, he had pics etc and i remember him saying he wouldnt be doing anymore, might be able to get some board details off him to get some alternative supplier to make some.
Let me know what you find. I'm looking into either finding some .scm files and PCB artwork or making my own and getting them made. Need to call one of Robin's contacts - I'll do that tomorrow and post an update.
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Update:
Thanks to Neo aka cmdrfire for starting to liaise with my friend Chris so that this can eventually happen. I had a chat with Neo on thursday and Chris today and progress is being made.
Also, thanks to Lee aka apollo13 for his supportive info and encouragement and also bodger!
Time to start a separate thread with some specifics: http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,24268.0.html
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Anyone interested in adding their name to the provisional list of those wanting Valeo inner units LED modified should please do so via this link:
http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,24268.26.html < Reply #26
It will help us get enough PCBs manufactured.
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I would if I new where to buy the lights in the first place!!! :confused:
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I would if I new where to buy the lights in the first place!!! :confused:
....I have posted where (Kunzmann, Germany) in the linked thread (Reply #32). Refer to my Reply #140 above. HTH
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Thanks Mr Robin, i missed that reply. :love:
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The guy in Romania is Iulian, he's the guy who did my LED DRL's on the rocco, theres been a bit of concern on central about them failing (1 in 2).
You know if somebody went to Valeo with a made up sample with an order for 100 pairs initially. They'd probably get on wih it
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IIRC apollo13 has experience of this Romanian guy and he doesn't want to supply any more. He's also not reputed to be that reliable, so I think we are better off without him.
The thought about approaching Valeo had also occurred to me but not until we have successfully completed ours. I think that cmdrfire's approach to the quality is the right one even though it will take longer.
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Yes its Iulian.
He told me he was'nt going to do anymore mods as he was busy with work commitments.
I sufferred a long wait with many excuses, although I received them in the end and they have been fine.
No problems at all and passed M.O.T with flying colours.
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The guy in Romania is Iulian, he's the guy who did my LED DRL's on the rocco, theres been a bit of concern on central about them failing (1 in 2).
You know if somebody went to Valeo with a made up sample with an order for 100 pairs initially. They'd probably get on wih it
Thought you might know someone who could help :-)
Getting Valeo to make them could be interesting, could save alot of work and should be easy to get 100 together in some sort of interforum GB
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You know if somebody went to Valeo with a made up sample with an order for 100 pairs initially. They'd probably get on wih it
I know Valeo - there's some involvement with them for work. Doubt they'd make a something from a customer samples, especially not for 100x units. What's the point anyway? If I still have to do the design work it doesn't make a difference whether it's made and assembled by Valeo or some other PCB house...
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Anyone know where we can buy the Valeo LED rear lights from?
I bought mine from here and they were delivered within a week. Dont be put off that they are from Germany. :happy2:
http://www.kunzmann.de/shop/en/tuning-styling-vw-golf-5-v-led-rear-lights-set-candy-red-for-vw-golf-5-v.htm
Are the candy red the same as the GTI's or are they the cherry red. I want the darker ones the same as my R32, ive confused myself which are which :confused:
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Anyone know where we can buy the Valeo LED rear lights from?
I bought mine from here and they were delivered within a week. Dont be put off that they are from Germany. :happy2:
http://www.kunzmann.de/shop/en/tuning-styling-vw-golf-5-v-led-rear-lights-set-candy-red-for-vw-golf-5-v.htm
Are the candy red the same as the GTI's or are they the cherry red. I want the darker ones the same as my R32, ive confused myself which are which :confused:
....The Valeo LED tails are exactly the same shade of dark red as the OEM R32 tails. Valeo might even produce the OEM R32 lights - I don't know.
They are a fully approved part by VW and have a VW part number so you could theoretically order them through your VW dealer, though I suspect they'd be much more expensive.
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Cheer RR, I know they are legit i just wasnt sure on the colour. Hella make the R32 rears.
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what do you guys think of these
http://cgi.ebay.de/Litec-LED-Ruckleuchten-VW-Golf-5-V-R32-TDI-SDI-Black-/180614859140?pt=Autoteile_Zubeh%C3%B6r&hash=item2a0d7c0984
also here from the maker
https://www.dectane.de/index.php?cat=c1245_Golf-V.html&page=2
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what do you guys think of these
http://cgi.ebay.de/Litec-LED-Ruckleuchten-VW-Golf-5-V-R32-TDI-SDI-Black-/180614859140?pt=Autoteile_Zubeh%C3%B6r&hash=item2a0d7c0984
....They're discussed fairly fully in another thread here. A bit chavvy due to glazing being so dark. Would be better if they matched the OEM dark red glazing instead.
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just added to my post the manufacturer and there are different glass colours.....not necessarly looking at buying as have OEM leds but just gauging opinion really
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I quite like 'em actually, but they don't look as good as the OEM mk6 LEDs.
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I quite like 'em actually, but they don't look as good as the OEM mk6 LEDs.
see i'm totally with you there quite like them but not obviously same as mk6 but you can get a good colour match
https://www.dectane.de/product_info.php?info=p53217_litec-led-taillights-vw-golf-v-03-09---red-smoke.html
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I quite like 'em actually, but they don't look as good as the OEM mk6 LEDs.
see i'm totally with you there quite like them but not obviously same as mk6 but you can get a good colour match
https://www.dectane.de/product_info.php?info=p53217_litec-led-taillights-vw-golf-v-03-09---red-smoke.html
....Not a good OEM colour match at all - Those Litecs are smoked. You can see that they're much darker.
Agreed that if they really were an exact match to the Mk6 tails, they'd possibly be on my car! Although I don't much like the standard Mk6 GTI and wouldn't want to be viewed as trying to look like one.
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Did we not go through this about the Litecs in another thread??
They do quite a few variations.
These are similar to OEM
https://www.dectane.de/product_info.php?info=p53216_litec-led-taillights-vw-golf-v-03-09---red-crystal.html
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Did we not go through this about the Litecs in another thread??
....Indeed we did. I was going to suggest that someone used the Search button but then thought they might have felt I was being rude.
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If I had the money
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Not like you Robin to worry about being rude............... :signLOL:
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These are similar to OEM
https://www.dectane.de/product_info.php?info=p53216_litec-led-taillights-vw-golf-v-03-09---red-crystal.html
....Those are much much better imo :happy2:
If our LED tail mods don't succeed I'll think seriously about selling my Valeo's and getting some of those. However, the Valeo's are far more OEM Plus looking - Well they are OEM Plus! Most of Litec's lights are very very chavvy looking.
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If I still have to do the design work it doesn't make a difference whether it's made and assembled by Valeo or some other PCB house...
Well from somebody who has designed and manufactured a number of niche products some of which have sold extensively the problem is when things dont go according to plan, whoevers selling them needs to warranty them for a reasonable length of time. All it takes is for condensation, flickering LCDs, you also need to be able to replace a single one if you get rear ended in three years time.....Do you want these arriving on your doormat in 6 months - Iulian in Romania is probably wishing he never got involved
Its fab that somebody is taking this one, but if its such a good idea then it might be worth taking it to the next step and getting an OEM to get involved with a concession for the first people who are interested.
They'd certainly sell well
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Not like you Robin to worry about being rude............... :signLOL:
.... :laugh: - Depends entirely on the kind of "rude" :evilgrin:
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Litec do a red/crystal which those are ^^^^ and a red/smoke which is similar to the ED30/R32 style.
The original ones posted are far too black IMO.
I think I'd stick with the Valeo versions even if the skyline mod does'nt/did'nt happen. They are of the cars age, those Litecs look too aftermarket.
All IMHO of course :happy2:
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If I still have to do the design work it doesn't make a difference whether it's made and assembled by Valeo or some other PCB house...
Well from somebody who has designed and manufactured a number of niche products some of which have sold extensively the problem is when things dont go according to plan, whoevers selling them needs to warranty them for a reasonable length of time. All it takes is for condensation, flickering LCDs, you also need to be able to replace a single one if you get rear ended in three years time.....Do you want these arriving on your doormat in 6 months - Iulian in Romania is probably wishing he never got involved
Its fab that somebody is taking this one, but if its such a good idea then it might be worth taking it to the next step and getting an OEM to get involved with a concession for the first people who are interested.
They'd certainly sell well
....^ I think this is better posted in this other thread: http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,24268.0.html
If this modding is physically successful, those involved aren't intending to sell them - We're intending that we either show how it's done and supply some parts, or possibly (not decided yet) they send 'us' their inner units for modding - We're not going to be issuing any warranties etc.
Helpful post though, Dave :drinking:
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Litec do a red/crystal which those are ^^^^ and a red/smoke which is similar to the ED30/R32 style.
The original ones posted are far too black IMO.
I think I'd stick with the Valeo versions even if the skyline mod does'nt/did'nt happen. They are of the cars age, those Litecs look too aftermarket.
All IMHO of course :happy2:
.... x 2
I couldn't agree more. Nail on head: The Litecs don't match the look of the Mk5's age, even though the Mk6 is sort of a Mk5.5.
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If I still have to do the design work it doesn't make a difference whether it's made and assembled by Valeo or some other PCB house...
Well from somebody who has designed and manufactured a number of niche products some of which have sold extensively the problem is when things dont go according to plan, whoevers selling them needs to warranty them for a reasonable length of time. All it takes is for condensation, flickering LCDs, you also need to be able to replace a single one if you get rear ended in three years time.....Do you want these arriving on your doormat in 6 months - Iulian in Romania is probably wishing he never got involved
Its fab that somebody is taking this one, but if its such a good idea then it might be worth taking it to the next step and getting an OEM to get involved with a concession for the first people who are interested.
They'd certainly sell well
I don't intend on offering a warranty or anything like that. I'm doing this because a) I want a set and b) it just so happens that other people would like the same, so we will make a batch of sets and sell them at more-or-less cost price. They will take however long it takes me (and the others involved in this project) to do them properly. What I do plan on doing is designing to (or close to) automotive spec. I am an electronics engineer designing electronics for cars, so I'm familiar with the requirements for automotive use.
I can certainly bounce things off Valeo but I doubt they will wish to undertake a run for a very small, limited market with a budget in mind - and certainly not with warranty and other hassles.
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I don't intend on offering a warranty or anything like that. I'm doing this because a) I want a set and b) it just so happens that other people would like the same, so we will make a batch of sets and sell them at more-or-less cost price. They will take however long it takes me (and the others involved in this project) to do them properly. What I do plan on doing is designing to (or close to) automotive spec. I am an electronics engineer designing electronics for cars, so I'm familiar with the requirements for automotive use.
I can certainly bounce things off Valeo but I doubt they will wish to undertake a run for a very small, limited market with a budget in mind - and certainly not with warranty and other hassles.
....I'm exactly of the same mind as cmdrfire on this. We have the common interest to get the mod done and are happy to share and help others on this forum to do the same if they want.
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hi guys, so given this was about 9 months ago has anything been discussed and decided since? the thread just seemed to end?! ive got some of my own on the way and wondered what came of everything? was a very interesting read up to the last post!
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http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,24268.msg440771.html#msg440771
more info update there
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Morning Gents,
Just enquired with someone who has loads of experience with fitting and modifying automotive lighting to accept LED’s.
I forwarded the links to some of the threads on here to give him an idea of what we were looking for and also to give him an idea of what work is involved.
He is away for a few days but will look into what time is going to be involved and how much he is likely to charge for the work to be done.
So, depending on the price, who would be interested in getting their inner light clusters modified to give the skyline effect??? :jumping:
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I'd be interested :happy2:
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Good man, well that's at least the two of us! :signLOL:
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Good man, well that's at least the two of us! :signLOL:
There'll be a good few more once they've read it I expect :grin:
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I'd think so.
Hopefully the price is reasonable enough for everyone.
When he looked through the thread and seen what was involved he said it was easy enough but just quite time consuming from what he could gather.
It would be a nice addition! :drool:
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I'd be interested also.
Once we know what the costs are and time etc im sure many more will be in on this :happy2:
I still need to source the Valeo lights themself, but it was the Skyline mod that appealed to me, so once i know its do-able i'll get them ordered!
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There are quite a few of us who have already registered an interest but cmdrfire has had other commitments so far. Perhaps it's time to make a decision to take up another option.
cmdrfire?....... :popcornsoda:
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I’m also interested in this
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There are quite a few of us who have already registered an interest but cmdrfire has had other commitments so far. Perhaps it's time to make a decision to take up another option.
cmdrfire?....... :popcornsoda:
Well I'm in for this if quality is good as I haven't had time to do any detail work on the other one.
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Glad to hear that there is some interest.
The guy that I have been in contact with has done loads of LED work for members on another VW / Audi forum and I have never heard or read anything but positive feedback so the quality is good. :pomppomp:
Hopefully we get some more interest before he is back some time later this week.
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I'd be interested depending on price :happy2:
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Hope to get a price by the weekend.
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Any news on prices? I would be very interested.
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Just got some word back and awaiting confirmation as to whether the price is for red inners (side lights) or stop and tail or, stop / tail and indicators??
I remember reading some of the earlier posts asking for all of the above, what's everyones preference if it is an option?? :jumping:
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Can we possibly merge this thread with the other that is running, http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,24268.msg475323.html#msg475323
its all the same people involved and saves on double posting