MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: danishmkvgti on January 18, 2010, 04:33:15 pm
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Hi,
( Thx for moving it :happy2: )
My workshop and i are working on a part that will add a bit more torque to a K04 engine, just wanted to see if there would be any interest in a product like this??
I have no idea of price atm, i will be getting the part fitted tomorrow and getting the car RR befotre and after.
I plan to upload the results as soon as i have them.
When revieving the results bear in mind that it's for a car with APR K04 software.
The turbo outlet in the picture is not ready to be fitted yet :happy2:
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi715.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fww160%2Fjakethemoss%2FTurbooutletdischargepipe.jpg&hash=e00553a4d1f10717226f74df6a1c68b7f64ebcf8)
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Looking forward to your responses.
Cheers
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It's a Turbo outlet and tubing for the K04 a'la the one Neuspeed has made for the K03, ( I have noticed that they have had the same idea as us :grin: )
Basically it replaces the part between the turbo and tubing for the IC.
We are fitting it tomorrow on mine and then we'll know if it's worth it or not. On the K03 stage 1 it gives app. 3hk and16nm.
But we'll see how it goes :drinking:
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I'm sorry, didn't get around to taking any Photos :sad1:
But the results i have, don't mind the dip, aparrently is a hardware error on my car :confused: (if any have an idea as to why, please let me know, perhaps the standard DV isn't up to the job??? )
Within a couple of weeks we are going to fit another one on a friends car, same specced engine, i promise to take pictures next time.
Here goes:
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And after:
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The turbo outlet is basically as the Neuspeed one except the outside flange is bigger as we have used 2,5" pipe to replace the standard discharge piping going down to the IC.
I don't know if any find the gains worth the hazzle, but it impressed me, both the HP and Torque gained.
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:confused:
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My workshop and i are working on a part that will add a bit more torque to a K04 engine, just wanted to see if there would be any interest in a product like this??
Looking forward to your responses.
Cheers
....You need to be much more specific about what this "part" is if you want people to express interest. :smiley:
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Is it some sort of wastegate actuator?
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is it some sort of mystical sticker that you put on your engine and it gives you 10bhp? :laugh:
God that was a funny thred!! :grin:
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i will take three :laugh:
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Not sure I'd really want any extra torque through the DSG clutchpack. I've been trying my best to lower the torque to make it tractable....and I have an LSD!!
Definitely subscribed to the thread though :happy2:
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I love torque :D
More the better - love that feeling of being driven back into your seats :driver:
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you have to give more hints than that surely.
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Instead of cutting in the original tube like Neuspeed does, they have made one that goes from the turbo to the IC. The part that fits in the turbo, (turbo outlet), has no slots in it like in the original part, so the flow should be better.
I'll have photos and logs tomorrow
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Instead of cutting in the original tube like Neuspeed does, they have made one that goes from the turbo to the IC. The part that fits in the turbo, (turbo outlet), has no slots in it like in the original part, so the flow should be better.
I'll have photos and logs tomorrow
I presume this will fit all K04s Cupra?
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kinda like the SFS kit hoses then i guess, only solid. A sloid option would be good, especially if it utilised the securing mounts on the std discharge pipe.
Potential problem though is do all the differnt intercooler kits have the same size outlets, also would it work with the likes of a twintercooler etc
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the connection to different intercoolers is a problem, but all problems can be solved.
this first prorotype is made for my APR IC and neuspeed pulley kit (more space for the piping).
Should fit Cupras aswell. :happy2:
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I think this is what Danish is talking about
http://www.awesome-gti.co.uk/product.php?xProd=6105&xSec=151
To fit a K04 it would need a slightly different endplate.
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that doesnt go all the way to the intercooler though
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think its something si,milar to the SFS silicone hose if it oges all the way to the intercooler
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yes it's a bit of both, it's the turbo outlet from Neuspeed, but adapted to K04 and SFS but mostly pipe :happy2:
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looks like neuspeed have pipped you to it - as awesome have already got a ko4 version available
http://www.awesome-gti.co.uk/product.php?xProd=14165&xSec=1
anyone know if this will fit with a forge twintercooler?
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Not sure I'd really want any extra torque through the DSG clutchpack. I've been trying my best to lower the torque to make it tractable....and I have an LSD!!
Definitely subscribed to the thread though :happy2:
Hurdy what measures have you been taking to reduce torque, as ultimately I'd like less torque and more power myself, fed up of lighting the wheels up from 3k revs, I find I get better traction higher up the rev range?
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looks like neuspeed have pipped you to it - as awesome have already got a ko4 version available
http://www.awesome-gti.co.uk/product.php?xProd=14165&xSec=1
anyone know if this will fit with a forge twintercooler?
I saw that too, as i made this tread, but seems that we are not the only ones thinking it's a good idea :wink:
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Not sure I'd really want any extra torque through the DSG clutchpack. I've been trying my best to lower the torque to make it tractable....and I have an LSD!!
Definitely subscribed to the thread though :happy2:
Hurdy what measures have you been taking to reduce torque, as ultimately I'd like less torque and more power myself, fed up of lighting the wheels up from 3k revs, I find I get better traction higher up the rev range?
Altering fuelling, timing and boost settings - but not much reduction in torque unless you drop boost, but if you drop boost you lose power - double edged sword.
Decat, I was told a decat would reduce torque, but speed spool up, in the end I gained torque, but it also brought it in earlier - double fail!
The only real solution would be a pure custom remap, but I've been down that route too and it reduced power :sad1:
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love that feeling of being driven back into your seats :driver:
you wanna keep that to yourself or tell tom! :signLOL:
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lower torque...but want power?
get a mismatched laggy as f'cuk turbo then! :signLOL:
you should then get a plot like this..even though its a GT30 (0.82 housing) on a 2.0 Flat 4
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or get a seperate boost controller to make it run lower boost at lower revs / gears...then get the fully monty higher revs / gears.
:happy2:
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I'm sure I've read somewhere some cars can be mapped for lower torque in the 1st two gears to help initial traction as thats where the problems are mostly. I think it was a Focus RS.
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Dynos added :happy2:
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:surprised:
ok so the gains look good but you need to overlay the plots for direct comparison. :happy2:
that dip is baad , def need to get that looked at , def need to do some logging to see if its fuel or other..
I presume they cross at 3400rpm cos its european measurements kW Nm etc (bhp/lbsft cross at 5656rpm)?
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:surprised:
ok so the gains look good but you need to overlay the plots for direct comparison. :happy2:
that dip is baad , def need to get that looked at , def need to do some logging to see if its fuel or other..
I presume they cross at 3400rpm cos its european measurements kW Nm etc (bhp/lbsft cross at 5656rpm)?
Overlay?? on top of eachother?? not sure what you mean?
I plan on doing some logging asap to locate the reason for the dip. :happy2:
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at aleast you know the dip was there before this new part was fitted, its just even more apparent than before.
gains seem good, are they plannning on mass producing it at all, if so @ what cost
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I hope to get pictures of the parts sunday, The company that has made it is BNautoteknik.dk, feel free to contact them regarding questions as to price and fitment to different IC solutions.
As i have written earlier, as soon as possible we will fit another one to a similar specced car my friend has, and see both the gains and if he has a similar dip in the HP/torque.
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update
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I hope to get pictures of the parts sunday, The company that has made it is BNautoteknik.dk, feel free to contact them regarding questions as to price and fitment to different IC solutions.
As i have written earlier, as soon as possible we will fit another one to a similar specced car my friend has, and see both the gains and if he has a similar dip in the HP/torque.
hmm GB anyone! :grin:
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The turbo outlet in the picture is not ready to be fitted yet :happy2:
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[Looking forward to your responses.
Cheers
i think that looks really good. alot better than stock, and real smooth in the bends. plusit maintains the mounting points as well.
will they be doing one for the ko3??
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Not that i know of, but it'll never hurt to ask. I'll ask them tomorrow and get back to you vrsy :happy2:
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much appreciated.
I really like the idea of that. plus i dont think it would be to hard to have a silicone hoses set made up to fit aftermarket intercoolers as well
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How much?
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thats looks really good :happy2:
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Looks spot on, id take one for the S3 :)
Davie
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much appreciated.
I really like the idea of that. plus i dont think it would be to hard to have a silicone hoses set made up to fit aftermarket intercoolers as well
They see no problem in making a solution for the K03 Turbo. :happy2:
Send them a mail at:
info@bnautoteknik.dk
And they will help you out :happy2:
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I take it they speak english ok there,
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I take it they speak english ok there,
I believe they are as bad as me to it, then you be the judge :P
You are all so polite inhere, nobody has yet commented on my grammar :innocent:
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thats becaouse nobody speaks english worse than the english. ill send them an email. as a point of interest how much did yours cost you.
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Hi everyone,
Please allow me to introduce myself, my name is Nikolaj and i´m one half of BNAutoteknik.dk, if any moderators looking please add that I represent a business.
Looks like our prototype discharge kit is making interest - thank you for the kind words everyone.
The kit fitted to danish´s car is a one of a kind so far, as earlier mentioned another car will be fitted and dynoed before and after in near future, if this car is having the same gains with this being the only modification, we´ll be more than happy to make one for everyone interested.
The kit on danish´s is made for an APR FMIC and with a Neuspeed pulley, so we´ll have to come up with a solution for cars with stock FMIC and pulley aswell, this is currently a work in progress and when these issues clear up there will be a solution for the guys running K03 aswell.
As for price, I would imagine that we will be able to compete with the Neuspeed kit when we get so far, but for now I don´t know what the final price will be.
If you guys have any other questions please speak up here or feel free to contact me on: Info@bnautoteknik.dk
Best regards
Nikolaj@bnautoteknik.dk
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it shouldnt be to hard to compete with the neuspeed kit, it is hugely over priced.
reference fitting to various intercoolers i have the std intercooler at the moment, but plan on upgrading to an S3 or THS intercooler at a later date. im presumiing different hoses would be able to be purchased individually.
also i would have thought the neuspeed pulley would be the same size as the standard pulley otherwise the belt wouldnt fit correctly. I thought it was just a lighter pulley wheel
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is there a reason why the metal ipe could not be longer and bent in the same way as the silicone pipe with just a small silicone pipe to connect to the intercooler. that way there is less silicone to expand with the heat and pressure
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The Neuspeed kit comes with a shorter belt, and I think it was 12mm smaller in Diameter??
The plan was to make the kit, so you could order it for your individual specs. but this takes a little time, but we´re working on it.
As for the Neuspeed kit, I won´t be the judge on the price tag of that, but I don´t think you can compare to ours anyway, it was just to give you guys a rough price idea.
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it shouldnt be to hard to compete with the neuspeed kit, it is hugely over priced.
reference fitting to various intercoolers i have the std intercooler at the moment, but plan on upgrading to an S3 or THS intercooler at a later date. im presumiing different hoses would be able to be purchased individually.
also i would have thought the neuspeed pulley would be the same size as the standard pulley otherwise the belt wouldnt fit correctly. I thought it was just a lighter pulley wheel
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi715.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fww160%2Fjakethemoss%2FIMG_0225.jpg&hash=cb7228412d267da55f63653877ab9513e48b3108)
is there a reason why the metal ipe could not be longer and bent in the same way as the silicone pipe with just a small silicone pipe to connect to the intercooler. that way there is less silicone to expand with the heat and pressure
The hose is reused as it came with my APR IC, still i would believe that you need some hose to compensate for the difference in engine movement compared to the static IC. But sure the hose can be made smaller :wink:
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that is a good point, on standard engine mounts the movement could cause the silicone hose to slip. still i do like this the look of this as a modification. it would be good to see how the neuspeed one compares in size etc.
looking at the neuspeed discharge pipe there is a machined lips to ensure the silicone hoses doesnt slip off etc, it look like yours doesnt have that, and with the aluminium tube being so smooth it could be a possibility. maybe a welded lip around the ends could help reduce the likelihood of it happening??
http://www.neuspeed.com/products/product_details.asp?app=95|GV&type=11<ype=ns_euro&p_id=2004
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actually we have talked about it, but this is made just to see if it was worth it. the outlet and the 2,5" tubing is the major things in this kit, the rest is details :happy2:
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actually we have talked about it, but this is made just to see if it was worth it. the outlet and the 2,5" tubing is the major things in this kit, the rest is details :happy2:
the 1 thing that i think this neds is a lip or knurled edge to ensure the silicone hose doesnt fly off under boost.