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Glad to see some terrestial TV coverage of Round 1 this weekend - I thought the Oz GP was going to be only on Sky.
Glad to see some terrestial TV coverage of Round 1 this weekend - I thought the Oz GP was going to be only on Sky.
I thought the BBC have 10 full races and the rest as edited highlights. A shame in my opinion as I thought the BBC's coverage has been spot on for the last few years. :chicken: :rolleye:
I'll miss Lee Mckenzie. :love:
Id swap lee Mckenzie for Georgie Thompson all day long as well!
I'll miss Lee Mckenzie. :love:
....Me too! She's got a lot of sex appeal :jumpmove:
She's a dwarf. :confused:
She's a dwarf. :confused:
They're all the same height when laying down :wink:
It wont make any difference all the threads are fubard with carry on driving ( ooh matron ) by the second page nowadays. :P
If you put a cat in a HRT it would win the F1 Championship because as we all know Cats = WIN! :laugh:
Anyway back on topic :laugh:
I know it's a bit early to say but what are people's opinions on Hamilton's move at the end of the season?? His contract is due to expire with McLaren at the end of this season, will he stay or will he go?
I for one hope he stays just where he is!
I for one hope he stays just where he is!
yeah....second fiddle to Button :grin:
I for one hope he stays just where he is!
yeah....second fiddle to Button :grin:
Currently sat here at work, headphones in, with the iPhone propped up in front of my laptop watching the P2 session. :jumpmove:
Its good to be listening to the noise of F1 again. Ahhhh, like a lullaby.
Mercedes has been accused of cheating
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/17412581
I think we are now going to see just how good a driver Vettel really is. Don't get me wrong he can drive but as I said all last season, his success was largely down to the car (something he admits himself).
We know he can drive, now we will find out if he can race :driver: I just hope McLaren can keep building on this.
I'm a Mclaren fan so that's good news. Impressed with the Mercs as well.
Chuffed the red bulls aren't in their own league this time. And ferrari..... chin up Gonzo :grin:
Notice that the sh*tsinger is back in the garage. No wonder his head is all confused. :stupid:
I really dislike JB and his dad is even more of a Hampton!
Quite encouraging for RB, and also Alonso (some hate him, I think he adds to the paddock). Just hacked off that JB won.
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What the hell is wrong with Hamilton? This is my problem with him. It was the first race of the season, he qualified on pole, but had a poor start. Nevertheless there are plenty of positives to take from the race, most importantly that they seem to have a car that is on par with Red Bull, yet he is miserable as sin. He is so negative.
Ben Edwards? Haven't seen the Beeb's coverage but he was a good commentator for BTCC and A1 GP so thought he had enough about him to cut the mustard as Brundle's replacement.
I think Sky have absolutely nailed the coverage. I didnt get up at 4:30 to watch everything, but did watch the entire replay from 9:30. I really cant fault it to be honest. Even something to see during the parade lap.
I've always wanted to dislike him, but I just can't. He seems to be a top bloke both on and off the track
as much as i want to dslike vettel i find i like him more and more the more interviews with him i see.
hopefully the maclarens ferraris (and mercs) can continue to give the redbulls a run for their money this season
watched it on sky and thought on the whole it was good :happy2:
I thought it was good damon hill was a bit odd, half like he wasn't interested.
Big JB fan - thinks it thru where as Ham just bashes on thru he needs to learn from JB hence why he's no2 this season
Deja vu indeed!
Secretly disappointed Schumi didn't make the front row though.
notice how even brundle is talking about how ferrari might buy massa out of his contract! please please please put Kobayashi in that seat, he would fly in the right car :popcornsoda:
nice to see the front row locked out with the right team, my although a button fan my money is on sulky pants to get this one, red bull playing strategic for tyres should be interesting and my hat is off for schumie, never been a fan but great pace from him :notworthy:
totally, when he gets on one he's a stunning driver, just always flawed by his car
totally, when he gets on one he's a stunning driver, just always flawed by his car
....I'm not saying that Kob is any less talented than the other drivers but at this F1 level he is not the only up-n-coming bright star on the horizon. I don't think any of them are quite the equivalent of what Schumi was in his heyday - 7 World Championships in case anyone has forgotten.
I don't know why they bother having a race in Malaysia.
But for one little mistake he would have had the Spanish t**t.
But for one little mistake he would have had the Spanish t**t.
That's the difference being a Champion makes :booty:
Gonzo only got that win as Perez was told to slow down. Perez should have won that race
Gonzo only got that win as Perez was told to slow down. Perez should have won that race
Slow down and drive off the circuit?
It's the bosses wifey. :wink: If Petrov can shag himself a seat then why not. :pomppomp:
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Woah, Vettel out in Q2!
Woah, Vettel out in Q2!
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Anyone else bored?
Anyone else bored?
I predict Mercedes will struggle with race pace again and so will be passed sooner rather than later.
Anyone else bored?
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Best race of the year so far....
Anyone else bored?
:confused:
Best race of the year so far....
Def in the top 3 :wink:
I predict Mercedes will struggle with race pace again and so will be passed sooner rather than later.
Boom. Nice little earner on that today ;)
Haha, nice cock up with the constructors table #bbc
I thought it was a good race especially at the end :driver:
I predict Mercedes will struggle with race pace again and so will be passed sooner rather than later.
Haha
Buttons race, pit crew screwed his chance up and he ended up stuck in traffic. Would have been great to see him hunt Nico down!! :booty:
Enjoyed the race and really chuffed for Ross Brawn and Nico! :happy2:
They were apparently in an area they were told to avoid and in an unmarked car. One of the crew has been given permission to leave after asking to go home.
Anyone else seem this :confused:
Not on any news station yet if it's true.
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just noticed the force india team had petrol bombs thrown at them while going home
He's since revealed on Twitter that that was a mistake.
I am very surprised that they are still considering running the race tbh.
Lol, Vettel runs like a girl!
Lol, Vettel runs like a girl!
Congrats to red bull and vettel . Great finish for lotus :happy2:
Kimi is certainly a great driver but he's still crushingly boring off track.
Kimi is certainly a great driver but he's still crushingly boring off track.
It's just Finnish people in general, they just seem to be made that may. Worked with a Finnish lass a while back and we named her Mika after the other laconic Finn. They are just SO mellow.
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He was actually disappointed in his race! :stupid:
I can't believe no Action is being taken against Rosberg for either incident today :confused:
I can't believe no Action is being taken against Rosberg for either incident today :confused:
as a result Ferrari are considering replacing Massa with Jason Plato :grin:
Super grid for tomorrow!
What happened to Red Bull? Seb was well and truly miffed in the post-quali interview.
Super grid for tomorrow!
What happened to Red Bull? Seb was well and truly miffed in the post-quali interview.
Hamilton will start at the back of the grid :sad1:
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I bet Lewis is both seething with anger and gutted.
And no doubt driving like madman tomorrow :popcornsoda: :grin:
Anti-Lag here. Well I was about to pen my own views on the weekend so far with a few insider revelations and insights but as I opened up the lap top I was greeted by an email that Lewis was under investigation for not making it back to scrutineering under his own power at the end of qualifying. So I held off for a while until all the news came in, I received many messages saying things don't look good and indeed a very glum Sam Michael was seen exiting a meeting with FIA stewards.
Sat here I was wondering how can McLaren have made just a stupid mistake, then I remembered that they have Martin Whitmarsh at the helm and it all became clear......Crystal clear. This team has a very, very strong chance to take this years championship, both constructors and driver's but the team are throwing it away with bodged pit shops, questionable strategy calls and odd calls all round. Both Jenson and Lewis have been given the sh*tty end of a silver and red stick at different times this season and right now it doesn't seem that they'll be given the shiny clean end any time soon.
Mclaren then applied the tried and tested Red Bull strategy of crying 'force majeure' with the hope that the FIA would fall for it and they could benefit from their pre-planned 'mistake'.
So there we were, debating what penalty would be applied, a 5 place grid drop? Hamilton's fastest lap removed? Or would the FIA completely exclude him from Q3? Because this was Hamilton and McLaren we all knew that a penalty was on the horizon even though at the last race in Bahrain a number of drivers pulled up at the end of qualifying because they ''were short on fuel and wouldn't make it back [to the pit lane] with enough fuel to give a sample'', now there were no investigations and no penalties were given, this was more than likely in the mindset of McLaren this weekend so they low fueled Lewis for his final run and what a run it was too, Lewis absolutely drove the wheels off his motor and took a very well deserved pole.
The news came in, the FIA had stripped Lewis and the team of their pole position, I wasn't surprised. Then as I read the statement I had to check my eyesight, no surely not, they can't have.....sh*t they have! Not only have the FIA stripped Lewis of his pole but they'd excluded him completely from qualifying and allowing him to start from the back of the grid!............BULLsh*t!
This is an utterly farcical decision and I want to know what the point of the rules are if they are so shoddily enforced. Last race the same thing happened TWICE and the FIA did sod all, this weekend ONE team does the same and they are handed a penalty and an extreme one at that.
It makes me think back to when Schumacher was dragged over broken glass after his now infamous move on Barrichello........wait a minute didn't Rosberg do the exact same thing TWICE in Bahrain? Yes he did and what did the FIA do to him? NOTHING!!! But they quite clearly insinuated that the drivers who were at fault during the two moves were the cars behind, hmmmm something is not right here.
Oh and while we're at it, what on God's green earth is the point of yet another one of the FIA's rules, you know the one, that's right, the 107% rule. I see that Narain is racing tomorrow so he must have got his HRT well within 107% of the fastest time.................Hmmmmm.
I suppose you could say that all of this is just my opinion as after all, opinions are like Arseholes, everybody has one.......It's just that FIA's one STINKS!
Anti-Lag.
Ferrari told the FIA to throw the book at them.
Ferrari told the FIA to throw the book at them.
^^ But surely you understand and agree with their reasons for those threats?
Ferrari told the FIA to throw the book at them.
Ferrari president Luca di Montezemolo said that Ferarri's continued presence in Formula 1 is dependent on major changes to the rules, he said they would not back down over technical regulations, testing rules and third cars.
Direct quote from LDM ""Formula 1 is still our life, but without Ferrari there is no Formula 1, just as without Formula 1 Ferrari would be different," not exactly a veiled threat was it?
A Williams mechanic suffered minor injuries and a Force India mechanic with smoke inhalation is being treated at the Barcelona track's medical unit.
One of the Williams team has been taken to hospital, while four Caterham mechanics are being treated at the track's medical unit.
A Force India team member is also being treated on the site after suffering smoke inhalation.
The incident is believed to involve a Kers unit, which sparked a fuel fire.
"I was there when [founder] Frank Williams was giving his speech to everyone," said Williams reserve driver Valtteri Bottas.
"I felt an explosion from behind, somewhere from the fuel area, and everyone ran out quickly."
Schumi given a five place grid penalty for 'rear ending' Senna!
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I wouldn't say KERS was redundant. Many times you can see a driver using KERS to fend off a car that is using both DRS/KERS.
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People have been worried about the potential dangers of KERS for some time. I wonder if it will now be banned.
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People have been worried about the potential dangers of KERS for some time. I wonder if it will now be banned.
Come on Robin theres always the potential dont get all elf and safety on us. Are you gonna ban fuel aswell as that is highly flammable :confused:
Fcuk me Maldonado is getting a bit giddy isn't he. :grin:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/18053650
One win and he thinks he can be world champion. :confused: I don't think he is THAT good a driver
Fcuk me Maldonado is getting a bit giddy isn't he. :grin:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/18053650
One win and he thinks he can be world champion. :confused: I don't think he is THAT good a driver
Fcuk me Maldonado is getting a bit giddy isn't he. :grin:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/18053650
One win and he thinks he can be world champion. :confused: I don't think he is THAT good a driver
To be fair though, if you ask any driver in F1 they should all say they can be world champion, why else would they be there :laugh: At the moment I cant put my finger on any specific driver/team and say its gonna be them this year. I will say though I don't think its gonna be a silver, blue or red car this year :wink:
Fcuk me Maldonado is getting a bit giddy isn't he. :grin:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/18053650
One win and he thinks he can be world champion. :confused: I don't think he is THAT good a driver
To be fair though, if you ask any driver in F1 they should all say they can be world champion, why else would they be there :laugh: At the moment I cant put my finger on any specific driver/team and say its gonna be them this year. I will say though I don't think its gonna be a silver, blue or red car this year :wink:
To be fair though, if you ask any driver in F1 they should all say they can be world champion, why else would they be there :laugh: At the moment I cant put my finger on any specific driver/team and say its gonna be them this year. I will say though I don't think its gonna be a silver, blue or red car this year :wink:
I bet if you asked Karthikeyan that he wouldn't say so.
In fact scrap that he probably would :grin:
What, Kimi/lotus then?
Can see him winning a race or two but think Lotus will get swallowed up later by the big boys in R&D department and them pulling away later on in the season.
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A TRULY SPORTING GESTURE:
Following fire damage to Williams Team equipment at the last race, many of the other teams have got together and contributed what's needed so that Williams can race this weekend at Monaco.
:congrats: :congrats: :congrats: :congrats: :congrats: :congrats: :congrats: :congrats: :congrats: :congrats: :congrats: :congrats:
Alonso is a tw@t :pomppomp:
I don't deny Alonso is a talented driver.
He just annoys me with his attitude.
In fairness Rich I think I'd moan if the team were costing me points through stupid errors/decisions
In fairness Rich I think I'd moan if the team were costing me points through stupid errors/decisions
Maybe... but theres no point it coming across as a nob on camera, because when you eventually drive for a decent team you'll have lost all of your fans :happy2:
In fairness Rich I think I'd moan if the team were costing me points through stupid errors/decisions
Maybe... but theres no point it coming across as a nob on camera, because when you eventually drive for a decent team you'll have lost all of your fans :happy2:
Are you saying McLaren aren't a decent team? :confused: :popcornsoda:
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"Arguments had centred around fully enclosed holes, the difference between a "hole" and a "slot" and even what constitutes a hole"
"Arguments had centred around fully enclosed holes, the difference between a "hole" and a "slot" and even what constitutes a hole"
I always thought a hole was a goal. :laugh:
"Arguments had centred around fully enclosed holes, the difference between a "hole" and a "slot" and even what constitutes a hole"
I always thought a hole was a goal. :laugh:
Not just a hole but any hole is a goal :grin:
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BBC1 Lunchtime News has just said she has "life threatening injuries" :sad1:
Not great news - she's lost an eye
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cambridgeshire-18711127
Not great news - she's lost an eye
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cambridgeshire-18711127
Is there an echo in here...
To give him experience i would imagine.
To give him experience i would imagine.
Yeah, but surely Bruno would benefit more, particularly in terms of car set up...
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Very heavy rain indeed at Silverstone today.
I can't believe they're asking people not to come tomorrow!
I hate Mark Webber.
I hate Mark Webber.
Really??
I hate Mark Webber.
Really??
Yep. The rumours of him going to Ferrari send shivers down my spine.
It could get worse. Andy Murray could win. It could be one of the worst sports days ever.
I hate Mark Webber.
I hate Mark Webber.
Such a strong word that Andrew. :surprised:
I hate Mark Webber.
Lol, how many times has that word, or worse been applied when talking about Alonso. It's horses for courses, and in a sporting context shouldn't be taken too seriously. I'm sure he's a thoroughly decent chap.
Lol, how many times has that word, or worse been applied when talking about Alonso. It's horses for courses, and in a sporting context shouldn't be taken too seriously. I'm sure he's a thoroughly decent chap.
Yeah but with Gonzo it's understandable :laugh:
I hate Mark Webber.
So you would quite happily kill him? All because he beat that stupid arrogant tw@t gonzo :confused:
I hate Mark Webber.
So you would quite happily kill him? All because he beat that stupid arrogant tw@t gonzo :confused:
Are you completely mad? You do know it's possible to dislike someone without wanting them dead don't you?
Genuinely freaked out by that comment.
The point I was making is that to hate someone you basically would kill them without question.
The point I was making is that to hate someone you basically would kill them without question.
You don't have the correct understanding of the word. Hate is having a very strong aversion to something, not wanting an individual dead. Look it up son.
I hate Mark Webber*
* but just to make things clear, I have no problem with his continued existence in this world. I'm just a little disappointed that he snatched a win from Ferrari, whom I would have preferred to win.
For example I don't hate you as I wouldn't kill you. Despite the fact you sometimes make my sh*t itch :P :P
For example I don't hate you as I wouldn't kill you. Despite the fact you sometimes make my sh*t itch :P :P
I love you too*
* but just to make things clear, I don't want sex with you.
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In one of your VW Campers, Oli?
....Which is why soldiers are brainwashed into 'hating' an enemy, regardless of which side they are fighting for or who the enemy are.
But this isn't like football where you get locked into faithfully only supporting one particular team.
But this isn't like football where you get locked into faithfully only supporting one particular team.
Isn't it?
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I thought you would react like that. "Persuaded' might be a more appropriate word than "brainwashed". But this is not the thread to discuss or debate such subjects.
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I have removed my post (and other parts which may offend). The thread then needs further clearing up.
I would though like to make it clear that I have nothing but respect and support for Service men/women as individuals. I simply don't think they should be out there in places like Afghanistan at all and that is my right to have that opinion. I don't permanently display a large silk poppy in my windscreen for no reason.
What about his dress sense Robin...? Got any nice fancy flowery type shirts hiding away anywhere lol
thought this was funny
Just for an additional year though. I do get the feeling that Ferrari will want to replace Massa at the end of this year though.
http://www.viddler.com/v/93674611
The team radio is never played live.
Vettel is just weak at overtaking pure and simple, thats why he needs every advantage he can get to do it. Its always been his weakness compared to over drivers of the same level.
Vettel is just weak at overtaking pure and simple, thats why he needs every advantage he can get to do it. Its always been his weakness compared to over drivers of the same level.
How did his whinge to the team go today.
"Do something to get me past button!!!!"
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Lewis has matured a lot in his driving but can still be exciting when the occasion demands.
I don't think that any of the F1 drivers don't whinge to some degree when they don't reach the podium - Vettel isn't the only one.
But Kimi, good a driver as he is, is such a miserable twat! He wasn't happy with second place compared with Grosjean, Raikkonen is a very poor ambassador for Lotus indeed. If I was boss of Lotus I'd be having serious words with him about his
bad public relations.
^^^^ he's a cheeky little imp that Gonzo! Sounds like he is stirring the pot and playing mind games with Lewis, or if nothing else, trying to wind him up. I think he knows the title this year is between the two of them.
Lol, so he said precisely f*ck all. You guys :grin:
Lol, so he said precisely f*ck all. You guys :grin:
Eh? He quite clearly is quoted as saying he would have no problem with whoever Ferrari selected to replace Massa. (Wether that be Vettel or Hamilton)
It's called reading between the lines.
My comments were aimed at MC71 ("stirring the pot", "playing mind games"), who seemed to interpret your original post incorrectly IMO. I realise you weren't being critical of Alonso (which makes a change).
The fantasise thing was funny, I enjoyed that.
My comments were aimed at MC71 ("stirring the pot", "playing mind games"), who seemed to interpret your original post incorrectly IMO. I realise you weren't being critical of Alonso (which makes a change).
The fantasise thing was funny, I enjoyed that.
Alonso has said this season that he wouldn't have a problem with Hamilton being his No.2 driver.
The stumbling block would be Hamilton not wanting to play 2nd fiddle. It's apparently what caused the rift with them in the first place.
Careful Rob. You'll upset Andrew slagging off his boyfriend :grin::signLOL:
Careful Rob. You'll upset Andrew slagging off his boyfriend :grin::signLOL:
Alonso couldnt handle Hamilton nor could he establish himself as number one driver at Mclaren so left.
He's happy at ferrari because he has massa as his bitch similar to pique when he was at renault, unfortunately thats not how it works at mclaren.
Awww poor Alonso, that vid pretty much sums Alonso up. Its also not hamiltons fault he wouldnt deliberately crash so he could hand Alonso a world title (oh sorry i best not mention that) :grin: :grin: :grin:
Two time world champion but a complete cheat or have we all forgotten about the crashgate incident.
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Regardless of whether some of you like or detest Ferrari, they are the ones who started Formula One many many decades ago and they have the established pedigree, such that all (99% of) drivers aspire to drive for them. Alonso fits into their family and Italian culture extremely well and I remember hearing him say a while ago that when he leaves Ferrari it will be to retire.
I'm sure that Lewis would love to be successful in a Ferrari but he has grown up (literally) with McLaren and they would have to fail him badly for him to move. Perhaps sometime in the future.
Lewis and Jenson make great team mates - They want to beat each other but they seem to be genuine friends.
They need to scrub some of the F1 rules. Mix it up a bit, give the teams more power to use "every trick in the book" to make their cars quicker.
Well in that case then... give everyone the same IDENTICAL car....
They need to do something cos its boring. So little to do with racing and more to do with pit stops balls ups and drive through penalties etc etc
Your right though he does fit into the italian culture of cheating just like italian football teams.
There you go Robin confusing fantasy and fact. Yes Ferrari were one of the originators of F1 as we now know it but you give the impression that they were the sole inventors of the sport which they clearly weren't.
Facts please not fantasy. :confused:
Who cares if they are the oldest team I for one would bat an eyelid if they left the sport. F1 is more than just 1 team.
Your right though he does fit into the italian culture of cheating just like italian football teams.
Come on, it's not like McLaren's slate is clean where cheating is concerned. Remember Lewis being disqualified from the Melbourne GP in 2009, and who can forget Stepneygate. Or is a little cheating OK?
History would be dealt a tragic blow if those red Ferrari's no longer raced in F1. Besides, who would you then turn your hating towards?
History would be dealt a tragic blow if those red Ferrari's no longer raced in F1. Besides, who would you then turn your hating towards?
I'm not a hater Robin, once again you seem to be mistaking your opinion for fact, I just believe the circus that F1 is wouldn't miss Ferrari as much as you seem to think.
Your right though he does fit into the italian culture of cheating just like italian football teams.
Come on, it's not like McLaren's slate is clean where cheating is concerned. Remember Lewis being disqualified from the Melbourne GP in 2009, and who can forget Stepneygate. Or is a little cheating OK?
What the hell happened there??
They can't even make it round the first corner, Grosjean's fault! Twat!! :stupid:
^^^^ just seen the reply of Charlie Whitting shaking his head! :signLOL:
Seb Vettel silenced those critics who say that he doesn't know how to race or overtake - He did very well :congrats: :congrats: :congrats:
Hamilton gets a taste of his own medicine :evilgrin:
Seb Vettel silenced those critics who say that he doesn't know how to race or overtake - He did very well :congrats: :congrats: :congrats:
He really hasnt robin, he would of got know where near second if grosjean, alonso, hamilton, kobi had still been in that race.
1 race ban for Grosjean and a 10 place grid penalty for Maldonado.
1 race ban for Grosjean and a 10 place grid penalty for Maldonado.
Maldonado is just a pr!ck, he even managed to crash his car into a roundabout in venazuela :stupid:
It's not the BBC that decides when replays happen or what action they show, it's the F1 live feed that all countries/broadcasters get and have no control over
In which case I will stick with the bbc... :laugh:
They've just gone downhill in my estimation - http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/19487080
Even suggested Vettel was a better driver than Senna.
Interesting, I wouldn't have predicted this to happen - http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/19489930
Hamilton is quicker than vettel, and kimi.
Alonso and Hamilton are the two best drivers.
one for the hammy haters :signLOL:
http://www.pitlanemagazine.com/magazine/?p=213
one for the hammy haters
http://www.pitlanemagazine.com/magazine/?p=213
Sid Watkins, Former medical head of F1 for nearly 30 years has passed away. No one did more to further driver safety than Professor Sid Watkins. RIP.
Just been reading this, brings back chilling memories :sad1:
The man affectionately known within the sport as ‘Prof’, an infectious character and a big part of the Formula One furniture for over three decades, is widely credited with a dramatic improvement in safety during that period.
A close friend of the late great Ayrton Senna, Watkins is particularly remembered for his role that fateful weekend at Imola in 1994, which claimed the life of the Brazilian and another driver, Austrian Roland Ratzenberger.
Watkins famously advised Senna to quit after seeing how badly shaken the Brazilian was by Ratzenberger’s death, as well as another serious accident involving Senna’s young countryman Rubens Barrichello.
"What else do you need to do?" Watkins asked Senna. "You've been world champion three times. You are obviously the quickest driver. Give it up and let's go fishing".
Senna replied: "Sid, there are certain things over which we have no control. I cannot quit, I have to go on."
Twenty-four hours later Watkins attended to Senna after his fatal crash at Tamburello, performing an on-site tracheotomy.
He later recalled: “He looked serene. I raised his eyelids and it was clear from his pupils that he had a massive brain injury. We lifted him from the cockpit and laid him on the ground. As we did, he sighed and, although I am not religious, I felt his spirit depart at that moment.”
There goes next seasons coverage. Jake is moving to BT to host Premier League football
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/19635534
Is BBCs F1 deal supposed to be continuing next year? Now the olympics are over I wonder if they will want more coverage again? They had to lose out on alot because the olympics cost them so much (hence why top gear is not on again till next year)
There goes next seasons coverage. Jake is moving to BT to host Premier League football
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/19635534
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Lap 23 Lewis car gearbox failure. Seb p1, Jenson p3, Maldanado p4, Alonso p5.
Well, as predicted, it has happened!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/19755236
Well, as predicted, it has happened!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/19755236
I know its only a sport and I shouldnt get too involved but I feel really gutted about this. Always been a lewis / McLaren fan .
This must be what you gooners felt like when RVP left .
I personally think Hamilton needs to experience life in another team. I think his attitude, or more specifically his change in attitude during his time at McLaren speaks volumes about both him, and the people around him. It also highlights McLarens failings on driver development. I realise they are hamstrung by sponsorship, but I do feel they should have moved heaven and earth to keep hold of him.
Still, Perez is a great replacement, and if it means Di Resta replaces Massa then I am more than happy.
I knew it was going to happen!
Just waiting for ferrari to sign Perez now for 2013 :happy2:
I think the best thing Lewis can do is ditch the sh*tsinger. I think he can do the job at Mercedes but not with her whispering sweet nothings in his ear.The sauber is already a top car, if you look at its cornering speeds at some of the tracks it's actually been the strongest car in some races. Just hasn't got the drivers to back it up.
As for Perez. Good job in the Sauber, hopefully with a better car he can turn it round. If anything it might give Button a bit more of a push.
I dont think that Hamilton has got it in him to be consistently quick and win... regardless of team.
I'm gutted Lewis is leaving. Even if they are paying him more money, it doesnt make sense. Moving to a team that is consistently mediocre and fighting in the midfield from a team that has a front running car!!
This season maybe, but rumour is that Mercedes are investing massively in the team with the aim of having the quickest car on the grid next year. Plus they have a master tactician in Brawn. On top of that we have no idea what engine McLaren will be using next year.
As far as money is concerned, I don't know what business you're in, but if you were offered double your salary to work for one of your competitors would you not do it?
I dont think that Hamilton has got it in him to be consistently quick and win... regardless of team.
Why?
Too many people talk of Hamilton like they know him on a personal level. People only know what's in the papers and we all know papers write crap to sell stories.
On the face of it, all we know about the guy is that he's one of the quickest drivers, he doesn't like all the PR work he has to do with mclaren, he wants to keep his trophies, wants to win more championships, and has won in every series he's raced in.
We also know of it wasn't for mclaren cockups and I reliability he would be leading the championship, so I'm really confused by your comment.
I thought Mclaren were going to be using Renault engines. Could be wrong mind... :confused:
This season maybe, but rumour is that Mercedes are investing massively in the team with the aim of having the quickest car on the grid next year. Plus they have a master tactician in Brawn. On top of that we have no idea what engine McLaren will be using next year.
to be fair, isnt that what all the teams want?
As far as money is concerned, I don't know what business you're in, but if you were offered double your salary to work for one of your competitors would you not do it?
But if i was earning millions already and had the option of
A- being offered slightly less, but ultimately still millions to stay at one of the top 3 teams in F1 with the best chance of winning the title(IMO of course)
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B- Being offered more money but ultimately its still millions but being at a team that have not been at the top of their game in the last few seasons, but are promising to deliver the title because they are 'investing'
I'd go with option A every time. I mean whats an extra million or two, when your already earning multimillion sums of money, and get gifted cars, clothes, holidays etc etc.
I thought Mclaren were going to be using Renault engines. Could be wrong mind... :confused:
is that becuase of the megane's times at the ring???
I thought Mclaren were going to be using Renault engines. Could be wrong mind... :confused:
is that becuase of the megane's times at the ring???
LOL.... and they are using road tyres as well??? :signLOL:
Not pointing fingers at you for that, just generally how this thread was going.
However I'm still waitin to see the reasoning behind your statement that he's not able to be a consistent winner, when he already proved as a school boy that he was.
Who remembers that gp2 race in turkey? Perhaps it's youtubing time, ad they were all in same machinery.
There is an article in the Telegraph by Coulthard of a very similar ilk. I can't believe they insist on keeping the winners trophies. I find that so bizarre.
Comments by Whitmarsh this week were also interesting. He boldly claimed that he (Hamilton) was making a big mistake leaving, and also (somewhat unbelievably) claimed they had offered to make Lewis the highest paid driver in F1. If rumours are to be believed and Alonso earns €30m a year and Hamilton €16, then they were effectively doubling his salary. Where would they get that money, and considering they give both drivers equal status, where would that leave Button?
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I think it's totally out of order for a team to keep the driver's trophies. Afterall, doesn't a GP winning team also get a trophy? And what happens when a team ceases to exist?
To begrudge a driver his trophies and memories in his retirement is outrageous IMO. I have some very minor trophies for my amateur Time Trialling (bicycles) [and I expect Hedge has a few too] and they represent a lot to me personally.
I have just gone off any support for McLaren big time. I have always been a Ferrari fan anyway but I now want Lewis to beat the McLarens next season and for Seb Vettel to do the same.
I am now left with the feeling that McLaren have groomed Lewis from an early age just like a rent-boy.
In the end us the public are the biggest winners, would be good to see mercedes join the lotus, RBR, ferrari, mclaren battles!
In the end us the public are the biggest winners, would be good to see mercedes join the lotus, RBR, ferrari, mclaren battles!
....Yeah!! Bring it on!!
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Thats the thing, Ive actually come to really like Alonso now too, never used to, and it seems him and lewis get on quite well these days also.
^^^^ just saw that, shame but time to retire TBH. Couldn't make the impact he'd hoped for in the Mercedes. :happy2:
^^^^ just saw that, shame but time to retire TBH. Couldn't make the impact he'd hoped for in the Mercedes. :happy2:
His results just didn't stack up compared to Rosberg. There's a nice analysis here -
http://totalf1.com/full_story/view/349927/Analysis_The_SchumacherRosberg_fight/
Retirement number two announced for Schumacher. Pretty gutted his "comeback" never really materialised.
Loved Kimi's post qualifying interview. "I spun". "I don't care about the others". :laugh:
You'd think grosjean would learn :driver:
Great to see Alonso out the race...
Great to see Alonso out the race...
Yeah, it's always great to see a driver lose out for no fault of his own :stupid:
Racing isnt fair. You cant bring fair into it as all the cars on the grid are different, is that fair? :indifferent:
Supposing another contender wins the Championship because Alonso is shunted several more times, would that be fair?
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I thought Webber's comment about Grosjean was very witty: "Perhaps we should have one start for Grosjean and one for the rest of us" (or words to that effect) :laugh:
Grosjean did look genuinely very sorry indeed after the race.
Seb Vettel was on form both on and off the track. He has a great sense of humour and started writing on Jake's shirt. He's a great guy and although I'm a Ferrari fan rather than Red Bull, Seb would be a very worthy world champion again.
I was particularly glad that Felipe Massa got a podium after so long and that he opened up to how badly he had felt about it for so long. Also, it has been even more difficult for him mentally having such a talented teammate as Alonso.
Did anyone see the Lee McK interview with Lewis in Saturday's Quali prog? - Lewis Hamilton :notworthy:
And a great and popular podium for Kobayashi :happy2:
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Lee McKenzie's great interview with Lewis:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/19826361
what happened in this interview? I cant view it from over here. :party: :party:
Redbull back on form then and the title pretty much in the bag for vettell, which would mean 3 successive titles and therfore a massive over estimation of his talents :indifferent:
only read the race report but doubt I'm gonna watch the race as it seems a pretty boring one.
Most entertaining bit was watching the BBC F1 team dance to gangnam style.
And Vettel and webber giving it a go
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Alonso and Hamilton are in a league of their own compared to the other drivers.
With Ferrari confirming Massa will stay with them until 2014 it looks like we're definitely going to see Vettel in a Ferrari - then we'll really see who is the fastest.
To be honest I can't understand it from either drivers point of view. Vettel is going to a team who operate a driver hierarchy, and Alonso is number 1. And Alonso is getting a team mate who I don't think will be happy settling for number 2 status.
With Ferrari confirming Massa will stay with them until 2014 it looks like we're definitely going to see Vettel in a Ferrari - then we'll really see who is the fastest.
To be honest I can't understand it from either drivers point of view. Vettel is going to a team who operate a driver hierarchy, and Alonso is number 1. And Alonso is getting a team mate who I don't think will be happy settling for number 2 status.
....That would be so true if it was the case but Vettel going to Ferrari is by no means certain and a lot can happen between now and the end of the 2014 season.
Well it's Ferrari making all the noises at the moment. They are openly talking about a signed contract. With Felipe finding some form I'd personally prefer that to continue beyond 2013, but it's unlikely. I'm still massively gutted he didn't win the title back in Brazil '08.
It's all got a bit boring :indifferent:
Liking Alonso's comments about his main title rival being Adrian Newey :grin:
I am not a fan of Alonso but he is by far the better driver out of the two and i hope he wins it :surprised:. To think Vettel will be three time world champion is cringe worthy from a guy that needs his pit crew to overtake and how the press will make him out to be Senna :sick:
Like i said 3 time world champion is an overestimation of his talents by quite some margin.
who will win the championship Vettel or Alonso ???
who will win the championship Vettel or Alonso ???
vetel had a excellent race
Mysterious mclaren breakdown yet again for Hamilton whilst leading a race.
The team are doing everything they can to get no grip button to finish ahead of him in the tables.
Won't be watching it now. Ferrari cheating. :fighting2: :fighting: :confused: Almost as bad as the premiership, Gonzo needs his team to bend the rules. :sick:
I can't believe that, surely the team should be punished or both drivers demoted or something, team orders is one thing, deliberately altering the car to get a penalty is just wrong and Ferrari should be made an example of.
I know what your saying but theres other ways around it. Lets be honest Massa would've been under team orders to let Alonso pass before the 1st corner which for being no2 is fair enough but to have him dropped 5places is a different matter
Vettel spitting out his dummy there :grin:
Vettels such a baby
LMAO at Vettel having a paddy! :laugh:
Perhaps been mentioned before, but very sad to see Robert Kubica's F1 future is effectively over.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/20351833
As much as I want Alonso to win I think Vettel has it. Whatever happens on Sunday though Alonso is my driver of the year. He's performed consistently and pushed a title challenge to the last race in a car that has always been third or fourth best on the grid.
As much as I want Alonso to win I think Vettel has it. Whatever happens on Sunday though Alonso is my driver of the year. He's performed consistently and pushed a title challenge to the last race in a car that has always been third or fourth best on the grid.
Interesting to read (and see) both Hamilton and Whitwarsh saying this could not be the end of Hamilton with Macca. Whitwarsh even said something along the lines of this being "just a year year out".
There seems to be a certain sense of inevitability about Vettel winning the title.............. :indifferent:
Not questioning his talent or the fact he comes over as a really nice lad, it's just boring!! It was the same when Schumi dominated....... :indifferent:
Really happy for Maclaren to get the 1 2 and I hope Massa doesn't get any gearbox problems or the like. Should be an interesting race tomorrow especially if it rains
Really chuffed for the Macca boys, its all over for Alonso, down in 8th and a hell of a lot slower than the Red Bulls and the Mclarens.
A meal normally comprises meat and 2 veg. :wink: :star:
Will Vettel get a penalty for overtaking under yellows I wonder??
Will Vettel get a penalty for overtaking under yellows I wonder??
Will Vettel get a penalty for overtaking under yellows I wonder??
On Kobayashi? The BBC haven't even mentioned it!
Will Vettel get a penalty for overtaking under yellows I wonder??
On Kobayashi? The BBC haven't even mentioned it!
It was clearly an overtake under yellow flags too, supprised it hasn't been picked up :confused:
Ben
guess its ok to overtake under yellows now :stupid:
Those electronic boards don't do yellow and red oil flags - just yellow and green I thought??
Where's the Ferrari International Assistance??
Feel for Lewis tho he should have won that race
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/20488239
To be fair it should never have been missed during the race. We all saw it!
To be fair it should never have been missed during the race. We all saw it!
This is some great analysis of the pass -
http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/the-third-pass/
Makes it look so clear cut...
Personally if I was Alonso or any sports person I wouldn't want to win anything through this sort of thing, as much as he would hold records etc, it would be tainted by the fact it only happened due to a penalty later on and missing celebrating on the day etc would make it less special. It's a bit like a premier league winning goal being taken away three days later due to it being offside, it was missed at the time, yes it should've been noticed etc but wasn't and its unfortunate and frustrating.
To be fair it should never have been missed during the race. We all saw it!
I agree with this and he should've got a drive through in the race or something.
Personally if I was Alonso or any sports person I wouldn't want to win anything through this sort of thing, as much as he would hold records etc, it would be tainted by the fact it only happened due to a penalty later on and missing celebrating on the day etc would make it less special. It's a bit like a premier league winning goal being taken away three days later due to it being offside, it was missed at the time, yes it should've been noticed etc but wasn't and its unfortunate and frustrating
If that lad fell in sh*t he'd come up smelling of Roses!! :confused:
The BBC article on the yellow flag pass seems to be for one on lap 4 on verne. But I also saw one later on with kobayashi?
I dont think they will reverse the decision this late on now... But for me its a hollow victory for vettel... One in which he overtook under yellows twice as far as I can see and was then let passed by other drivers (Schumacher for one who isnt even in the same team! and lots of other cars weren't exactly putting up a fight!).
I think he is cool, but im bored of his winning now.
LOL, highest paid drivers in the world get special boards to tell them that the surface is slippery. :stupid:
LOL, highest paid drivers in the world get special boards to tell them that the surface is slippery. :stupid:
....At speeds of up to approaching 200 mph even you would benefit from such information. It's as much about safety and saving lives.
LOL, highest paid drivers in the world get special boards to tell them that the surface is slippery. :stupid:
....At speeds of up to approaching 200 mph even you would benefit from such information. It's as much about safety and saving lives.
Well maybe they should make the cars slower then so it's not too much trouble for the drivers and they can then drive safely according to the conditions...
LOL, highest paid drivers in the world get special boards to tell them that the surface is slippery. :stupid:
....At speeds of up to approaching 200 mph even you would benefit from such information. It's as much about safety and saving lives.
Well maybe they should make the cars slower then so it's not too much trouble for the drivers and they can then drive safely according to the conditions...
Nice. Shame about the team but I suppose you have to start somewhere.
Is he Tom Chilton's brother?
You could almost imagine driving for Marussia would do your reputation more harm than good!
Weren't Jordan pretty small when Schumi started his F1 career with them?
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Kobayashi started well in F1 and showed a lot of promise - So what happened?
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Kobayashi started well in F1 and showed a lot of promise - So what happened?
He has no big sponsors its not just about talent anymore :sad1:
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Kobayashi started well in F1 and showed a lot of promise - So what happened?
He has no big sponsors its not just about talent anymore :sad1:
He raised £6.5 million sponsorship for a 2013 drive, from personal donations and Japanese companies. But that pales into insignificance when you compare it to the £45 million Pastor Maldonado brought to Williams. I think even the Marussia drives were costing £5 million.
Anyone watching the McLaren launch live? Awesome so far!!
http://www.mclaren.com/formula1/page/MP4-28-car-reveal-live
P.S. Who was the presenter?
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Natalie Pinkham................
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Natalie Pinkham................
no bum, ass looks flat like an ipad
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Natalie Pinkham................
no bum, ass looks flat like an ipad
I just love playing with and stroking my iPad. :wink:
I'm glad I Sky+'d it now and fast forwarded through the delays.
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So when are the BBC going to show a rescheduled Quali? :popcornsoda:
Well I wont be watching any more F1 this year.... the rules are a complete ASS!!!!
im presuming team orders?Well I wont be watching any more F1 this year.... the rules are a complete ASS!!!!
What are you referring to?
Team orders.... in particular.The Red Bulls could have thought much harder IMO, but you can see why with Mercedes though, both Lewis and Nico were marginal on fuel. If they had let Nico shoot off and chase down the leaders he probably would have ran out of fuel or not had enough for testing at the end.
Let the drivers race... and let them win by there own talent.
Thing is I don't really see team orders being anything to do with the rules. Whether in the rule book or not they've always been a feature of the sport, and a team has always, in one way or another been able to dictate which of their drivers finishes highest. The story today is that Vettel did the equivalent of shooting an unarmed man in the back.
Team orders are never going to be good for the viewer, but the only way you'd ever eradicate it is by constricting a team to one car.
Entertaining race
I think this year has been ruined by Pirelli. it is not about who is the best driver or who has the fastest car, it is all about which team has the best analysts and Managers. You are going to get situations like today quite often unless they change the tyre deg. What is the point of having no racing and cars doing 95 % of what they are capable of. :stupid: I dont mind the tyres being hard to figure out but when the answer is to just mother them until the end of the race then in my opinion it is carp. :indifferent:
I think this year has been ruined by Pirelli. it is not about who is the best driver or who has the fastest car, it is all about which team has the best analysts and Managers. You are going to get situations like today quite often unless they change the tyre deg. What is the point of having no racing and cars doing 95 % of what they are capable of. :stupid: I dont mind the tyres being hard to figure out but when the answer is to just mother them until the end of the race then in my opinion it is carp. :indifferent:
100% Agree!
Give them tyres they can race on!
Do they design there road tyres to work in such a small envelope?
What was fair about it Robin?
Webber obeys the team order to wind things back and the greedy German steals the win via some reckless overtaking. If that's fair in your book I think it needs a reprint. :fighting:
Did you watch the same race as the rest of us Robin? :confused:
Vettel is German Robin or hadn't you noticed?
I hope because he thinks he is better than the team that he gets his knuckles rapped. If not it will be as Webber said and Red Bull are protecting him. :fighting:
RR you could see in the replays that ark could have literally pushed Vettel right off of the track and kept him behind but Mark obviously doesnt see himself as bigger than the team. Plus when Mark has turned his engine down its hardly surprising Vettel had the speed after he didnt bother listening to the team order and kept his on full power.
Alot of ex F1 stars are calling for Vettel to receive a 1 race ban(awarded by the team) to show him hes not bigger than the team. I think that would be a great idea.
I was actually gutted Alonso crashed out, which i never thought id say. After watching him lst season i have ALOT more respect for him than i did before, he deserved it last season and might be the best chance we have of seeing redbull knocked off the next title.
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RR you could see in the replays that ark could have literally pushed Vettel right off of the track and kept him behind but Mark obviously doesnt see himself as bigger than the team. Plus when Mark has turned his engine down its hardly surprising Vettel had the speed after he didnt bother listening to the team order and kept his on full power.
Alot of ex F1 stars are calling for Vettel to receive a 1 race ban(awarded by the team) to show him hes not bigger than the team. I think that would be a great idea.
I was actually gutted Alonso crashed out, which i never thought id say. After watching him lst season i have ALOT more respect for him than i did before, he deserved it last season and might be the best chance we have of seeing redbull knocked off the next title.
I was actually gutted Alonso crashed out, which i never thought id say. After watching him lst season i have ALOT more respect for him than i did before, he deserved it last season and might be the best chance we have of seeing redbull knocked off the next title.
RedRobin I think you are missing a crucial bit of the argument here... assuming both drivers turned down their engines at the same time and Webber is of the belief Vettel is not going to overtake him as was agreed. It would be logical to think Webber was going alot slower without letting those cars from rival teams catch up with himself and Vettel. Therefore while Webber is cruising along and taking it easy Vettel closed the gap further and took advantage by overtaking - how is that fair? I personally would consider that as cheating as he took advantage of Webber cruising at a lower speed whereas if Webber was driving competitively he could have driven harder and possibly extended the gap between himself and Vettel. We dont know what would have happened if both drivers were to race to the finish but as far as I am concerned they were both playing by different rules so it wasnt fair on Webber.
RR you could see in the replays that ark could have literally pushed Vettel right off of the track and kept him behind but Mark obviously doesnt see himself as bigger than the team. Plus when Mark has turned his engine down its hardly surprising Vettel had the speed after he didnt bother listening to the team order and kept his on full power.
Alot of ex F1 stars are calling for Vettel to receive a 1 race ban(awarded by the team) to show him hes not bigger than the team. I think that would be a great idea.
I was actually gutted Alonso crashed out, which i never thought id say. After watching him lst season i have ALOT more respect for him than i did before, he deserved it last season and might be the best chance we have of seeing redbull knocked off the next title.
....I was gutted about Alonso crashing out too (I wish it had been either Raikonnen or Webber! :evilgrin:). I went through a couple of seasons of disliking Alonso but have changed my mind about him since he has been at Ferrari. I don't think that I will ever like Raikonnen though!
Reports I've read (from Christian Horner IIRC) state that both Red Bull cars were in the same state of engine mode. Webber isn't exactly as squeaky clean as he makes out - I'm referring the to last time these two had a set-to which ended with them both off. On this 2013 occasion, Webber nearly put Vettel into the pit exit wall.
I think we all need to put aside who are our favourite drivers are and realise that of course a driver puts himself ahead of the team - I think it's fundamentally in their psyche/character to win at all costs and especially in the heat of the moment. The teams and drivers need each other but it's rather like the fable of the frog giving the scorpion a lift across the river and the scorpion then stinging the frog after the river crossing - Why? - Because it's simply in the scorpion's nature. It's in the nature of a F1 racing driver to win and to beat every rival including and especially their team mate.
^^^^I guess it all comes down to ethics! What you think is acceptable may not be seen as acceptable to others, I will leave it at that.
@ Makaveli:
Who said that racing for the F1 championship had to be "fair"?
Vettel certainly took full advantage, Webber tried to resist but couldn't, so Vettel got to the chequered flag first and won the extra championship points. To win a championship a driver has to be ruthless and Vettel has that quality/characteristic.
Vettel's overtake was unpopular (although it was very exciting and enjoyable to watch).... So what.
F1 racing is constantly full of events which might be termed as unfair, both on and off the track.
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@ Makaveli:
Who said that racing for the F1 championship had to be "fair"?
Vettel certainly took full advantage, Webber tried to resist but couldn't, so Vettel got to the chequered flag first and won the extra championship points. To win a championship a driver has to be ruthless and Vettel has that quality/characteristic.
Bunch of duplicitous, two-faced sh*ts.
Either let them race or ensure team orders are obeyed. :fighting:
Bunch of duplicitous, two-faced sh*ts.
Either let them race or ensure team orders are obeyed. :fighting:
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What's good about all this is that Red Bull have decided to reduce the use of team orders. Let's hope other teams follow suit. We want to see racing, not strategy games!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/22109935
It's about time!
I wonder what his relationship with christian horner is gonna be like from now on. Vettels made him look like a complete mug with his comments today thats for sure. This is becoming more and more christian vs vettel if you ask me. If christian is really the boss then i cant see Vettel driving for redbull in 2014.
Second question was interesting and says it all http://www1.skysports.com/formula-1/news/24182/8630735/Sebastian-Vettel-says-he-would-ignore-team-orders-again-if-it-meant-winning-a-race
Red Bull have "decided" to reduce the use of team orders? Whatever. More like they realise that they don't have a cat in hell's chance of either driver obeying them, so why look stupid again?
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The fine art of diplomacy and public relations.
Roll on the weekend! Quali and racing should be particularly exciting with all this stuff in the mix.
That was a close call for Hamilton at the end!!!! :driver:
None of the other F1 drivers seem to rate vettel and all relate his championships to having a superior race car. All of them as well as the F1 Journalists and ex drivers all say Alonso and Hamilton are the best two drivers.
Button's title was due to exactly that.
Felt disappointed that Raikkonen made it onto the podium.
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Glad to see Vettel win - He drove well and deserved it.
Gutted for Massa and also disappointed that Alonso wasn't able to solve his DRS problem.
Some very close and exciting racing throughout.
Felt disappointed that Raikkonen made it onto the podium.
Hamilton did well and his 5 place penalty was clearly OTT.
Yeah was a great race. Loved the Perez/Button battle :party:
Felt disappointed that Raikkonen made it onto the podium.
That's a pretty bizarre statement...
Yeah was a great race. Loved the Perez/Button battle :party:
Seems Jenson didn't :grin:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/22240236
Piss and moan.
Felt disappointed that Raikkonen made it onto the podium.
That's a pretty bizarre statement...
....No more "bizarre" than someone who doesn't like Seb Vettel hoping he doesn't have racing success. Or Alonso in the past, or.... etc etc.
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Really so smooth cornering is not the best method :confused:
Well that was boring! :fighting:
Well that was boring! :fighting:
Was it? Dunno I fell asleep. :indifferent:
:signLOL: Greeners the beer pig.
I think this year has been ruined by Pirelli. it is not about who is the best driver or who has the fastest car, it is all about which team has the best analysts and Managers. You are going to get situations like today quite often unless they change the tyre deg. What is the point of having no racing and cars doing 95 % of what they are capable of. :stupid: I dont mind the tyres being hard to figure out but when the answer is to just mother them until the end of the race then in my opinion it is carp. :indifferent:
So the decision to basically ban film crews from the pit lane is a bit extreme. Give them a helmet and some padded overalls, they know the risks of motorsport. FIA over stepping as usual. H&S gone mad.
So the decision to basically ban film crews from the pit lane is a bit extreme. Give them a helmet and some padded overalls, they know the risks of motorsport. FIA over stepping as usual. H&S gone mad.
Agreed, quality drive by Hamilton. Was sure vettel was guna pass raikonen on the last couple of laps, but he held on well. One of the best races this season I thought.
Just because Seb Vettel is significantly up front and on course to win his 4th championship (deservedly in my opinion, although I'm a Ferrari fan), it doesn't mean that races are boring. There has been a lot of track action among all the racers behind Vettel.
It's like watching snails shag.
I bet the Beeb struggle to find enough highlights for their shows. :smiley:
^^^^
We've got an Alonso vs Hamilton vs Raikkonen battle going on this season.
There's been some good racing this season between these guys plus Rosberg and others if you bother to watch.
It's like watching snails shag.
I bet the Beeb struggle to find enough highlights for their shows. :smiley:
I'd rather watch snails shag to be honest.... At least it would be something different.
F1 is boring.... No mater how you paint it.
Quality race today. Hulkenberg, Hamilton, alonso and raikonen. Good battle today :happy2:
The problem is people dont really rate Vettels skills to be on par with previous 3 or 4 time world champions. We need to find out how good Vettel really is, the only way that is going to happen is if he races the likes of Alonso or Hamilton with the same car but lets face it he/Red Bull have not let that happen because it would most likely upset the balance and impact what the team are currently achieving. By racing with the best drivers in an equal car is the only way he will either be as competitive in which case he will get the respect he deserves else he will be outshined in which case some peoples view will be correct that he isnt worthy of being a 4 time world champion.
I agree however it could be argued that technology these days plays a much bigger part than it has in previous eras
The problem is people dont really rate Vettels skills to be on par with previous 3 or 4 time world champions. We need to find out how good Vettel really is, the only way that is going to happen is if he races the likes of Alonso or Hamilton with the same car but lets face it he/Red Bull have not let that happen because it would most likely upset the balance and impact what the team are currently achieving. By racing with the best drivers in an equal car is the only way he will either be as competitive in which case he will get the respect he deserves else he will be outshined in which case some peoples view will be correct that he isnt worthy of being a 4 time world champion.
....But you could apply that criteria to every world champion throughout F1 history. Since when have F1 race cars been equal?
The winner is the first to the chequered flag. His results speak for themselves. Simples.
I agree however it could be argued that technology these days plays a much bigger part than it has in previous eras
I dont agree, there are far more driver aids these days for example DRS and KERS. These all mean less driver skill is required to overtake, and they make it almost impossible for a driver to defend their position.
I agree however it could be argued that technology these days plays a much bigger part than it has in previous eras
....Yes and no.
Yes, there is far more 'technology' fitted to race cars.
No, nothing has changed regards the test of driver's skills. The skills may be different but the human component is as big as it always has been.
I think that F1 motorsport would be potentially very boring indeed if all the cars were literally identical. Also, it would contribute far less to the advance of various technologies.
I agree however it could be argued that technology these days plays a much bigger part than it has in previous eras
....Yes and no.
Yes, there is far more 'technology' fitted to race cars.
No, nothing has changed regards the test of driver's skills. The skills may be different but the human component is as big as it always has been.
I think that F1 motorsport would be potentially very boring indeed if all the cars were literally identical. Also, it would contribute far less to the advance of various technologies.
I dont agree, there are far more driver aids these days for example DRS and KERS. These all mean less driver skill is required to overtake, and they make it almost impossible for a driver to defend their position.
If anything, it now requires a broader skill set than it ever has done.
My point was that DRS and KERS make overtaking alot easier and arguably remove alot of the risk involved with overtaking, for example if the car being overtaken has no DRS and the car overtaking uses DRS there is such a big speed difference it makes it almost impossible for the car being overtaken to defend. If Vettel just uses DRS to pass cars then he is not really proving he can overtake, the combination of having the best car together with these driver aids just makes things too easy. You may say that everyone has the same or similar tools when it comes to DRS and KERS which is correct but in my opinion if you took away DRS and KERS and the cars stayed the same Vettel wouldnt be winning by such a big margin, the reason I say that is because I dont believe he is as good an overtaker as Alonso or Hamilton and therefore if he didnt have DRS he couldnt effortlessly pass cars in front of him no matter the skill level of the driver he is passing he would have to try alot harder and I believe he would find it alot more difficult to pass cars. Im not syaing he wouldnt win but I believe he would find it more difficult.
I agree however it could be argued that technology these days plays a much bigger part than it has in previous eras
....Yes and no.
Yes, there is far more 'technology' fitted to race cars.
No, nothing has changed regards the test of driver's skills. The skills may be different but the human component is as big as it always has been.
I think that F1 motorsport would be potentially very boring indeed if all the cars were literally identical. Also, it would contribute far less to the advance of various technologies.
I dont agree, there are far more driver aids these days for example DRS and KERS. These all mean less driver skill is required to overtake, and they make it almost impossible for a driver to defend their position.
....But there is mental rather than physical skill required in using DRS and KERS. There is far more going on for a modern F1 driver to mentally process and translate into his driving.
Why is there any less skill in overtaking due to DRS and KERS? It's exactly the same mental process and manouevre requiring the same skills in assessing position, distance, and timing. All that's different is the car's technology. Getting a car to be first to the chequered flag or to beat your rivals requires strategy as it always has done.
If anything, it now requires a broader skill set than it ever has done.
I know what your saying makaveli, and agree on some points. But vettel very rarely uses drs as he's never anything but 1st. And you can only use it unless your 1second or less behind the other car. So in a way, you have to have earnt that time difference to get a shot at that. Tbh I don't mind drs and kers. But I'm only 22 and have only properly got into f1 over the last 5years, so I can understand some of the "older" lads missing the days of the 80s and 90s. But I didn't really witness it first hand so I'm loving f1 nowadays for the way it is.Its not when Vettel is out in front that DRS is giving him the major benefit its when he pits and comes out behind cars at which point they are not obliged to let him past as he is effectively racing them, I just feel he would be held up alot longer behind these cars if he didnt have DRS. Im not denying that he would get past them at some point as its likely he would be on fresher tyres but it would take him longer which is when the likes of Alonso and Hamilton would potentially be able to make up ground as I believe they are better at creating and taking opportunities to pass drivers when in the same situation.
I think Vettel's in a no win situation really..so to speak.
He's winning the races (and personally think he might win every race till season end) but he's driving a Newey car and there's always the debate on the ultimate skill level of drivers in Newey cars.
I think history goes against Seb somewhat here. In the late 90's everyone really rated how quick Hakkinen was and he won 'just' two championships in Newey's McLaren. Then prior to that the 97, 96, 93, & 92 winning drivers were all in Newey Wlliams'.
Accepting the only other multiple champ from that list of years was Prost. But seem to recall in the 90's the interest was could the Williams team beat Schumacher at Benetton/Ferrari.
I don't especially like Vettel per se. Just I think he's a top driver in an exceptional car and is vey much on top of his game.
As Brundle always puts it on the Sky coverage. Mark Webber is a fantastic racing driver. But compare his record in the same car against Sebastian Vettel especially the last couple of years. Not sure Webber will win a race in 2013. Would like to see it. But not sure he will.
So for Vettel to do 4 championships in a row shows he's really very good.
Hope 2014 regs help the racing a bit. Cause it's a one horse race at the minute.
Anyway we know who's the fastest in the Top Gear Suzuki Liana...Hamilton.
Least Grosjean kept the Red Bulls a bit more honest today.
Good win for Vettel. Gotta hand it to the lad. Making the two stop strategy work to beat his team mate. After both Bulls started lousy.
Like the way they say it's not quite over...mathmatically.
But hey Alonso would have to win every race..which I cannot see happening in 2013.
So Vettel 4 time champ in a fortnight..my prediction.!!!!
Someone needs to punt vetted out on the first corner!
Someone needs to punt vetted out on the first corner!
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Well, whether you like or dislike Seb Vettel, no-one can justify saying he doesn't deserve to win the championship if indeed that's what happens.
I'm a Ferrari team fan but I now hope Seb wins just to spite the haters.
But how long has Newey been designing the 2014 Red Bull?
You have to onsider that whilst Adrian Newey is a whizz with F1 Aero design Mark Webber has had the same machinery and even taking into consideration his string of bad luck he rarely competes at the same level as Vettel who has outqualified him every race weekend, has twice the amount of top 5 finishes, looks after tyres better etc etc, so either Mark Webber isnt that good or Vettel is very good. Id go for the latter tbh.But do they really have the same machinery? Who knows what is under the body work, lets face it Red Bull Racing have previously given Vettels car upgrades and not Webbers.
Im not a Vettel fan but fair play, you can only do what's asked with the machinery at your disposal and he did that and then some.:happy2:
He has been linked with roles running Honda's new F1 programme when the Japanese manufacturer returns to the sport in 2015 as engine partner to McLaren, as well as to a position with governing body the FIA.
Ooooohhh..
Ross Brawn is leaving Mercedes. Team will stick with Wolff/Lowe and Lauda.
Where's he gonna go??
With Brawn gone (and if he goes to McLaren) I give it just 1 season before Hamilton goes back to Macca I reckon. :popcornsoda:
With Brawn gone (and if he goes to McLaren) I give it just 1 season before Hamilton goes back to Macca I reckon. :popcornsoda:
....I think it will depend entirely on how Lewis Hamilton feels about his 2014 season with Mercedes. Would you go back to an ex girlfriend? - I wouldn't! :grin:
Kimi Raikkonen has though, but he's a strange fella anyway.
Appaently they arent exactly the same under the bonnet due to the size difference of the drivers, i think the KERS kit is in a different place on webbers cars.I think you missed the point I was trying to make! :smiley:
But either way either Webber is really really sh1t or Vettel is very good. Being a Vettel fan id go for the later :drinking:
With Brawn gone (and if he goes to McLaren) I give it just 1 season before Hamilton goes back to Macca I reckon. :popcornsoda:
I think Vettel's in a no win situation really..so to speak.
He's winning the races (and personally think he might win every race till season end) but he's driving a Newey car and there's always the debate on the ultimate skill level of drivers in Newey cars.
I think history goes against Seb somewhat here. In the late 90's everyone really rated how quick Hakkinen was and he won 'just' two championships in Newey's McLaren. Then prior to that the 97, 96, 93, & 92 winning drivers were all in Newey Wlliams'.
Accepting the only other multiple champ from that list of years was Prost. But seem to recall in the 90's the interest was could the Williams team beat Schumacher at Benetton/Ferrari.
I don't especially like Vettel per se. Just I think he's a top driver in an exceptional car and is vey much on top of his game.
As Brundle always puts it on the Sky coverage. Mark Webber is a fantastic racing driver. But compare his record in the same car against Sebastian Vettel especially the last couple of years. Not sure Webber will win a race in 2013. Would like to see it. But not sure he will.
So for Vettel to do 4 championships in a row shows he's really very good.
Hope 2014 regs help the racing a bit. Cause it's a one horse race at the minute.
Anyway we know who's the fastest in the Top Gear Suzuki Liana...Hamilton.